[Wikimedia-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
As far as I am concernted the redlink IS touched; it is the only way to
ensure potential disambiguation. Well actually we could do this in
Reasonator but that has not been considered so far.

The problem is that you refer to the "appropriate infoboxes", as far as I
am aware they do not exist.

What we can do to further improve information to article writers is add the
"concept cloud" [1] as part of the information provided in a Wiki (do
appreciate that this would work equally well in a WIkivoyage, Wikisource).
Thanks,
      GerardM

[[1]]
http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/cloudy_concept.php?q=4597488&lang=nl



On 22 January 2014 02:35, John Vandenberg <jayvdb at gmail.com> wrote:

> If I understand you correctly, the redlink wont be touched, but the empty
> page will show reasonator data on it (ideally displayed using the
> approptiate infobox). That would help readers and (source editor) writers,
> as the important facts are on the screen for them to include into the prose
> of the new article.
> On Jan 21, 2014 10:18 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> >
> > At this moment Wikipedia "red links" provide no information whatsoever.
> > This is not cool.
> >
> > In Wikidata we often have labels for the missing (=red link) articles. We
> > can and do provide information from Wikidata in a reasonable way that is
> > informative in the "Reasonator". We also provide additional search
> > information on many Wikipedias.
> >
> > In the Reasonator we have now implemented "red lines" [1]. They indicate
> > when a label does not exist in the primary language that is in use.
> >
> > What we are considering is creating a template {{Reasonator}} that will
> > present information based on what is available in Wikidata. Such a
> template
> > would be a stand in until an article is actually written. What we would
> > provide is information that is presented in the same way as we provide it
> > as this moment in time [2]
> >
> > This may open up a box of worms; Reasonator is NOT using any caching.
> There
> > may be lots of other reasons why you might think this proposal is evil.
> All
> > the evil that is technical has some merit but, you have to consider that
> > the other side of the equation is that we are not "sharing in the sum of
> > all knowledge" even when we have much of the missing requested
> information
> > available to us.
> >
> > One saving (technical) grace, Reasonator loads round about as quickly as
> > WIkidata does.
> >
> > As this is advance warning, I hope that you can help with the issues that
> > will come about. I hope that you will consider the impact this will have
> on
> > our traffic and measure to what extend it grows our data.
> >
> > The Reasonator pages will not show up prettily on mobile phones .. so
> does
> > Wikidata by the way. It does not consider Wikipedia zero. There may be
> more
> > issues that may require attention. But again, it beats not serving the
> > information that we have to those that are requesting it.
> > Thanks,
> >       GerardM
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2014/01/reasonator-is-red-lining-your-data.html
> > [2] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/test/?lang=oc&q=35610
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