[Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Given that Reasonator requests services through Javascript, it will likely
piggy back on the Wikidata infrastructure. As caching is as far as I know
not implemented on Wikidata, it will benefit everyone when caching for
Wikidata gets on the WMF-Ops agenda.

Until now Wikidata is considered to be irrelevant from an end-user / page
view perspective [1]. This is obviously no longer true.

Again, our aim is to share in the sum of all knowledge. Wikidata has
information that is ours to share. It is our prime objective to ensure that
this is done, it is our challenge to do it in an optimal fashion.
Thanks,
      GerardM

[1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikispecial/EN/TablesWikipediaWIKIDATA.htm


On 21 January 2014 18:13, Ryan Lane <rlane32 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Gerard Meijssen
> <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> >
> > At this moment Wikipedia "red links" provide no information whatsoever.
> > This is not cool.
> >
> > In Wikidata we often have labels for the missing (=red link) articles. We
> > can and do provide information from Wikidata in a reasonable way that is
> > informative in the "Reasonator". We also provide additional search
> > information on many Wikipedias.
> >
> > In the Reasonator we have now implemented "red lines" [1]. They indicate
> > when a label does not exist in the primary language that is in use.
> >
> > What we are considering is creating a template {{Reasonator}} that will
> > present information based on what is available in Wikidata. Such a
> template
> > would be a stand in until an article is actually written. What we would
> > provide is information that is presented in the same way as we provide it
> > as this moment in time [2]
> >
> > This may open up a box of worms; Reasonator is NOT using any caching.
> There
> > may be lots of other reasons why you might think this proposal is evil.
> All
> > the evil that is technical has some merit but, you have to consider that
> > the other side of the equation is that we are not "sharing in the sum of
> > all knowledge" even when we have much of the missing requested
> information
> > available to us.
> >
> > One saving (technical) grace, Reasonator loads round about as quickly as
> > WIkidata does.
> >
> > As this is advance warning, I hope that you can help with the issues that
> > will come about. I hope that you will consider the impact this will have
> on
> > our traffic and measure to what extend it grows our data.
> >
> > The Reasonator pages will not show up prettily on mobile phones .. so
> does
> > Wikidata by the way. It does not consider Wikipedia zero. There may be
> more
> > issues that may require attention. But again, it beats not serving the
> > information that we have to those that are requesting it.
> >
>
> I have a strong feeling you're going to bring labs to its knees.
>
> Sending editors to labs is one thing, but you're proposing sending readers
> to labs, to a service that isn't cached.
>
> If reasonator is something we want to support for something like this,
> maybe we should consider turning it into a production service?
>
> - Ryan
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