[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia blog moving to WordPress.com

Thu Sep 5 18:51:46 UTC 2013

Personally i think this is a bad idea, especially with respect to all the
nsa discussions. If wmf is not able to host it might be hosted by one of
the chapters, or wikinews might accept a new article type "blog", what you
think?

Rupert

Am 05.09.2013 19:34 schrieb "Bence Damokos" <bdamokos at gmail.com>:
>
> As I understand  the blog is currently a self-hosted instance of Wordpress
> and the idea is to move the hosting to somewhere else.
> (So this is not MediaWiki vs. Wordpress, but self-hosting vs. not
> self-hosting)
>
> Best regards,
> Bence
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Theo10011 <de10011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > This was definitely mentioned at Wikimania. What I understood is that
it
> > > will be hosted externally for performance and reliability reasons, but
> > that
> > > the rest should remain the same.
> > >
> >
> > So, A blog for one of the top 10 websites in the world is being hosted
> > externally "for performance and reliability"? - That doesn't sound
right.
> > Maybe Mr. Roth & friends can clarify a bit here.
> >
> > Blogs generally don't require a lot of resources, aside from some
comment
> > oversight. But it's not like there is a deluge of comments or moderation
> > required in the current blog - they average about 1, maybe 2 comments
and
> > from my impression, don't particularly have a high number of regular
> > followers.
> >
> > This seems like something trivial, perhaps because of familiarity with
> > Wordpress, it is being preferred in this case. But then, why are we
> > willingly and so easily handing the visitors to a third party?
especially
> > with so much paranoia about monitoring and privacy issues. Even for the
> > sake of our own impression and opinions - Is there a particular role
there
> > that Mediawiki can't fill in? (I recall Erik once argued that wiki is
the
> > most versatile platform, does he believe that Wordpress is a better
> > alternative? )
> >
> > Regards
> > Theo
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Anyway, I'm not an expert here, just what I understood from Matthew
Roth
> > &
> > > friends
> > >
> > > Lodewijk
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/9/5 Richard Symonds <richard.symonds at wikimedia.org.uk>
> > >
> > > > This is being discussed on-wiki too, at
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Privacy_policy#Blog_not_hosted_by_WordPress.3F
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > > Richard Symonds
> > > > Wikimedia UK
> > > > 0207 065 0992
> > > >
> > > > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England
> > and
> > > > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513.
> > Registered
> > > > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London
EC2A
> > > 4LT.
> > > > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> > > > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation
> > (who
> > > > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> > > >
> > > > *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal
> > control
> > > > over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5 September 2013 14:00, Neil Harris <neil at tonal.clara.co.uk>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 05/09/13 13:37, MZMcBride wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The recent draft privacy policy mentions that the Wikimedia blog
> > > > >> (<https://blog.wikimedia.org>) will soon be hosted by
> > WordPress.com.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Was this discussed anywhere? If so, where?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What is the proposed URL structure of a blog hosted by
> > WordPress.com?
> > > I
> > > > >> think there's a reasonable expectation that when a user visits
> > > > >> *.wikimedia.org, we don't simply send his or her browser info to
a
> > > > third
> > > > >> party without his or her consent. This has come up previously
with
> > > > Jobvite
> > > > >> and iframes. It's also come up with the use of tracking tools
such
> > as
> > > > >> Google Analytics, which not only affect one-time visitors, but
aim
> > to
> > > > >> persist client-side.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> How will the blog be backed up? Relying on an external service
means
> > > not
> > > > >> being in control of the data. Will there be regular backups made
to
> > > > ensure
> > > > >> that if WordPress.com goes away, we won't lose all of our posts?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> MZMcBride
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > > I agree: this does seem to be a curious decision, at odds with the
> > > WMF's
> > > > > general policy of self-hosting as much as possible in order to
> > maintain
> > > > > maximum independence from outside entities, particularly in the
> > context
> > > > of
> > > > > the recent concerns about privacy. I would have thought that
> > > maintaining
> > > > a
> > > > > WordPress installation would be well within the WMF's
capabilities.
> > > > >
> > > > > Neil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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