[Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

[Lars Gardenius]

I am sorry Anders but I believe you are wrong.

Do you also want to abolish the Ombudsmen that there are quite a few in Sweden?

These are there to give people a place to turn to when they for instance are mistreated by the authorities.

In the companies and schools where I have been working there have also been such instances where you can turn when an employee/schoolchild has been mobbed.

Why would Wiki manage without such an instance? I think you paint a much too rosy picture of the Swedish Wikis, e.g. Swedish Wiktionary.

Regards,
Lars Gardenius




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 Von: Anders Wennersten <mail at anderswennersten.se>
An: wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org 
Gesendet: 16:19 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013
Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself
 


Lars Gardenius skrev 2013-09-05 15:53:
> As said I think it is an obvious structural problem of the Wiki organization.
I  disagree to that statement.

While Fred is about right likening sv:wp to a medium sized town, being a 
bit idyllic, even if persons have feelings here to a get in a conflict 
too (it is the way we, the community,  resolve this that differs)

My message is:Even if en:wp with its size need strong structures around 
administration let us not in general pursue the road of more structures.

Let us instead learn to be more human in our intracommunicaition on the 
wikis (while still being determined to throw out Pov pusher, selfrpomos etc)

Anders

>   I don't think the intention of this thread was to solve a single issue but to point out a general problem.
>
> Regards,
> Lars Gardenius
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>   Von: Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net>
> An: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Gesendet: 15:09 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013
> Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself
>  
>
> For a serious discussion to happen you will need to disclose some
> examples. The next step is to move beyond anecdote to see if there is a
> general problem.
>
> The particular incident Rui brought up has been pretty much explained,
> but the question remains about have a new or casual editor who commits a
> faux pas can simply be reminded not to rather than being vilified and
> being turned away completely. Everyone does dumb stuff, especially at
> first. The question is whether they learn anything from it.
>
> Fred
>
>> Sorry, but I have seen several instances where it certainly doesn't work.
>> Not in a way you would expect in a normal society anyhow.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lars Gardenius
>>
>>
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>> An: Lars Gardenius <lars.gardenius at yahoo.de>; Wikimedia Mailing List
>> <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> CC: "fredbaud at fairpoint.net" <fredbaud at fairpoint.net>; Wikimedia Mailing
>> List <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Gesendet: 14:22 Donnerstag, 5.September 2013
>> Betreff: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't say dispute resolution has never worked, nor does it not work
>> now. It could use improvement, but the same could be said about
>> everything (and like most things, shortages of volunteers make things
>> harder)
>>
>> Steve Zhang
>> Sent from my iPad
>
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