[Wikimedia-l] It's time to reclaim the community logo

[Dariusz Jemielniak]

hi,

while writing about "two individuals" was probably well-meant (so as not to
point fingers), to my non-native ear it sounds unfortunately close to
police reports lingo :) Also, while I perfectly understand why WMF needs
external representation, and why Jones Day's in-kind donated support is
used, it is also clear to me that the "two individuals" may feel cornered
and perceive it as an move to resolve the issue by force (in the face of
obvious disparity of legal brainpower and resources).

I may be wrong, but my own and personal view is 100% in line with what
Craig wrote: irrespective of the result, taking this dispute to court will
be a failure on both sides.

Ideally, if both sides could agree on a mediation by one or more parties
acceptable to them, this could wind things down a bit and perhaps lead to a
better understanding of the views (as well as of the legal mechanics and
consequences of the choices). Also, since both sides act with a strong
perception of protecting the community's interest in the way they see fit
best, the community's wider feedback may help in resolving the issue.

Just my two-cents.

best,

pundit








On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:09 AM, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:

> Referring to John and Federico as "these two individuals" comes across
> as attempting to depersonalise and deprecate your opposition. Are you
> quite sure this is the effect you're after?
>
> On 9 October 2013 07:13, James Alexander <jalexander at wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > The legal team have provided some background on the hiring on Jones Day
> in
> > this action. Here is their comment:
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Logo/Request_for_consultation#Legal_representation
> >
> > James Alexander
> > Legal and Community Advocacy
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 3:56 PM, <tomasz at twkozlowski.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote on September 26, 2013, 15:22 UTC:
> >>
> >>
> >>  Trademark don't self-enforce, they are "enforceable" as long as someone
> >>> believes to you when you use them as threat tools. So yes, I suppose
> they
> >>> might.
> >>>
> >>
> >> ... and given that the WMF just hired the infamous Jones Day bullies as
> >> their representative before the OHIM to fight an opposition filled by
> their
> >> own volunteers (me and Federico), I don't think it's an unfair view.
> >>
> >> I suggest that everyone interested in the subject read <
> >> http://www.dmlp.org/blog/**2009/sam-bayard/thoughts-**
> >> jones-day-blockshopper-**settlement<
> http://www.dmlp.org/blog/2009/sam-bayard/thoughts-jones-day-blockshopper-settlement
> >>
> >> and related links for an overview of a 2009 Jones Day lawsuit against a
> >> start-up company Blockshopper.com which Paul Levy called "a new a new
> entry
> >> in the contest for grossest abuse of trademark law to suppress speech
> the
> >> plaintiff doesn't like".
> >>
> >> I'm aware that, being a party of the opposition, I shouldn't really
> >> comment on the WMF's litigation tactics, but it still leaves me wonder
> >> about the point of hiring, as some say, "one of the worst trademark
> abusers
> >> in history", as their representative in this case.
> >>
> >>           Tomasz
> >>
> >>
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