[Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market

[Philippe Beaudette]

Can I ask that we not call people dumb and foolish?  Argue the idea, not
the person.

(And in this case, I think Jan-Bart agrees with you, so I'm not sure where
that came from).

pb

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On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Erwin Mulialim
<erwin.mulialim at outlook.com>wrote:

> Dear Jan-Bart,
> Hey, I think that you are the dumbest and most foolish people in this
> world! Since you already know that working for a nonprofit foundation or
> charity that absolutely should not be expecting a salary sufficient in
> terms of value! Because this job is having the social goals of humanity and
> is not intended for business, so it is proper you should not expect
> yourself to be paid according to the salary standardization of benchmark
> government regulatory policy. For jobs that have a social purpose of
> humanity like this, we should not be so demanding, but we first have to
> love the job ought to give all of the skills and talents that we have for
> this foundation, believe that sooner or later will certainly all of the
> goodness and your efforts will be avenged by God through His wonderful ways.
>
> May GOD Bless You Always!
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Claudius Erwin Mulialim
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Owner Q-Tech Computer - Ruteng
> (CV. Montée Vista Media Vision) in Ruteng - Flores, East Nusa Tenggara,
> Indonesia.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 10:43:06 -0800
> > From: lcarr at wikimedia.org
> > To: wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] fiction: WMF policy of paying less than market
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 5:46 AM, James Salsman <jsalsman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
> > >
> > >>... I do want to make sure you (and everyone else) realise that there
> is no FACT like the one that you mention.
> > >>
> > >> "fact that the
> > >>> Foundation's policy of paying below market salary discriminates
> > >>> against potential hires with large expenses such as kids in college
> or
> > >>> a mortgage from 2007?"
> > >>
> > >> because
> > >> a)  there is no such policy....
> > >
> > > So would you disagree with Erik Moeller's statement of 29 December
> 2012?
> > >
> > > "[WMF compensation is] below some companies that are
> > > similar to us, notably Mozilla which is structured as a for-profit
> > > owned by a non-profit and pays market-level compensation (sans
> > > equity). Wikimedia is above most non-profits that do tech work, and
> > > there's a fair bit of room to grow compensation-wise for an
> > > entry-level hire. It's not what people could make elsewhere, and
> > > that's understood by folks who make it through the process."
> > > --
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-December/123272.html
> > >
> > >> Finally I find the idea of restraining people to talk about salary
> > >> almost comical....
> > >
> > > Would you post the text of the non-disparagement clause referred to at
> > >
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/April_5-7,_2008#Non-disparagement_and_confidentiality_agreement
> >
> > Talking about my salary isn't disparaging the company -- as referenced
> > later, in the US employers can't prevent folks from talking about
> > their salaries.
> >
> > Though I do feel that the WMF salary is discriminating against my
> > right to fly first class everywhere.  My champagne glass won't refill
> > itself, you know!
> >
> > Leslie
> >
> > > and
> > >
> http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_cooler&diff=19657&oldid=19653
> > > please, so we can see exactly what it says?
> > >
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> >
> > --
> > Leslie Carr
> > Wikimedia Foundation
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