[Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with supportof bots)

[Jan Ainali]

2013/6/17 Ilario Valdelli <valdelli at gmail.com>

>
> One of the strategic goal of the plan of wikimedia movement is the quality.
>

That is true. However, the strategic plan does not go into detail on how to
measure it. Is it an article that only has claims backed by sources? If so,
the bot-generated articles are very high-quality. Is it a featured article?
Then I guess that reaching the goal of 25% will be pretty tough.

Actually, the most reasonable way to reach that goal, having 12,5 million
quality articles in two years, is to use some sort of automation.

/Jan Ainali


> Il giorno 17/giu/2013 14:28, "Peter Southwood" <
> peter.southwood at telkomsa.net>
> ha scritto:
>
> > I agree that the 1000000th article is much better than no article on the
> > subject, and I too joined the project with no previous training
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Balázs Viczián" <
> > balazs.viczian at wikimedia.hu>
> > To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.**org<
> wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> > >
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with
> > supportof bots)
> >
> >
> >  I am totally supportive of the idea to create articles in this way if
> they
> >> are more than a simple infobox with 5-6 stats in it. The bot generated
> >> form
> >> [1] of the millionth Swedish article is where these bot generated
> articles
> >> can start from; a useful stub. If we take seriously this "collect the
> sum
> >> of all knowledge" bla bla, then absolutely ok to generate such articles,
> >> moreover it should be done wherever, whenever possible (like with the
> >> Swedish lakes).
> >>
> >> Having zillions of articles will generate a lot of new editors from the
> >> simple fact that more people will have chance (and larger chance) to
> bump
> >> into wiki articles while browsing the internet. Or in an easier form:
> >> Wikipedia will reach more people by cover more and more topics in a more
> >> an
> >> more detailed form.
> >>
> >> The first problem, you mention is who will maintain them. Well, probably
> >> those who join through this massive expansion; who are already
> interested
> >> in butterflies and actively learning about them on the net. Or those who
> >> find their favourite fishing lake on Wiki and add some pictures and a
> bit
> >> more detailed info about them.
> >>
> >> The other problem what you're describing is that all of these future new
> >> editors will be "unqualified" (ni your wording "idiots") while all the
> >> chapters are heavily working on "creating" qualified editors through
> their
> >> various education programs.
> >>
> >> My question is: is this really a problem? How many of you joined
> Wikipedia
> >> after being "educated" how to edit and stuff and how many of you joined
> by
> >> "bumping" into articles so many times that you've eventually started
> >> editing them? How many of you started as "idiots"?
> >>
> >> I did.
> >>
> >> Balázs
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Erysichton_**
> >> elaborata&oldid=21735451<
> http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erysichton_elaborata&oldid=21735451
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/6/17 Hubertl <hubert.laska at gmx.at>
> >>
> >>  Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys
> >>>
> >>> Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots.
> >>>
> >>> An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to
> >>> breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge.
> >>>
> >>> If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best
> >>> way
> >>> to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of
> >>> authors.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are
> >>> stored in a most possible stupid form.
> >>>
> >>> I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts without
> >>> understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something about
> >>> knowledge, understanding and correlations.
> >>>
> >>> Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now?
> >>>
> >>> Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers?
> >>>
> >>> Hubertl!
> >>>
> >>> The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated
> by
> >>> a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many people
> >>> will
> >>> leave this project. With certainty.
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for
> monkeys!
> >>>
> >>> Am 16.06.2013 14:51, schrieb Nurunnaby Chowdhury:
> >>>
> >>>  Congratulations swedish wikipedians!!!!
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive*
> >>>> Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Network Foundation
> >>>> (OKFN)<http://www.okfn.org>
> >>>> Auto-confirmed, Reviewer & Roll backer Editor | Bangla
> >>>> Wikipedia<http://bn.wikipedia.****org/wiki/user:nhasive<http:/**
> >>>> /bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:**nhasive<
> http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive>
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> Treasurer & Coordinator (PR) | Bangladesh Open Source Network
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> Bangladesh
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> ><
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> >>>> www.nhasive.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Liam Wyatt <liamwyatt at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  grattis mina kompisar!
> >>>>
> >>>>> *Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number:
> >>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/****wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_**<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_**>
> >>>>> 000.2B_articles<http://meta.**wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_**
> >>>>> Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles<
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles>
> >>>>> **>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> wittylama.com
> >>>>> Peace, love & metadata
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan <tonmoy.du at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Congratulations!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tonmoy
> >>>>>> On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, "Patricio Lorente" <
> >>>>>> patricio.lorente at gmail.com
> >>>>>> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten <mail at anderswennersten.se>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  was a
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>  bot
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  generated article of a butterfly
> >>>>>>>> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Erysichton_elaborata<
> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Erysichton_elaborata>
> >>>>>>>> <http://**sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Erysichton_elaborata<
> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata>
> >>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from
> the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  database
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Catalogue of Life
> >>>>>>>> http://www.catalogueoflife.****org/services/res/2011AC_****
> >>>>>>>> 26July.zip<http://www.**catalogueoflife.org/services/**
> >>>>>>>> res/2011AC_26July.zip<
> http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zip>
> >>>>>>>> >which
> >>>>>>>> (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  million
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  generated
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board
> >>>>>>>> http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/****Kandidater_2013/Sverker_****
> >>>>>>>> Johansson<
> http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/**Kandidater_2013/Sverker_**Johansson>
> >>>>>>>> <http://se.wikimedia.
> **org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/**Sverker_Johansson<
> http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson>
> >>>>>>>> >and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  is
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>  in his
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a
> guest
> >>>>>>>> lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  last
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>  couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Unang_Panid<
> http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Unang_Panid>
> >>>>>>>> <http://ceb.**wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid<
> http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid>
> >>>>>>>> **>and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  supporting
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  their local community, and he is now running his bot on their
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  wikipedia
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>  as
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia
> >>>>>>>> http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Syahan_nga_Pakli<
> http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Syahan_nga_Pakli>
> >>>>>>>> <http://war.**wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_**Pakli<
> http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli>
> >>>>>>>> >.
> >>>>>>>> So perhaps at the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  end
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>  of the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million
> mark!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Anders
> >>>>>>>> PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  also
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>  making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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