[Wikimedia-l] PRISM

Fred Bauder fredbaud at fairpoint.net
Mon Jun 10 13:36:28 UTC 2013

You are right, Anthony, never assume you're not dealing with idiots. If
NSA is doing doing detailed surveillance of Tea Party activists or
defense lawyers we are truly well along the road to hell.


> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net>
> wrote:
>> Correct. If Osama Bin Laden had been editing Wikipedia, before his
>> death
>> of course, through some account in Pakistan, it would have been rather
>> reasonable to respond favorable to a request for information. But
>> "plenty
>> of reason to think the government would be interested in Wikipedia
>> access
>> logs" No, massive amounts of information about people doing ordinary
>> things like editing articles about Homer Simpson is kind of the
>> opposite
>> of intelligence; it IS the haystack, not the needle.
> And yet, PRISM is exactly about collecting the full haystack.  And it
> makes
> sense, if you ignore the privacy implications:  Collect everything in
> your
> multi-zetabyte storage device, even if you aren't going to analyze it
> right
> away.
> And yeah, editing articles about Homer Simpson is one thing.  Editing
> articles about the Tea Party, on the other hand...
> Fred, you used to be a lawyer.  How would you like the government to have
> access to all the Wikipedia searches (and google searches which linked to
> Wikipedia) done from your office?  Might that not compromise your ability
> to defend alleged criminals?

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