[Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

[Peter Southwood]

I would still like an answer to my questions
Cheers,
Peter Southwood
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig Franklin" <cfranklin at halonetwork.net>
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> I'm sure that the legal team has done their homework on this and would not
> have made this recommendation unless they felt that the WTO had a credible
> argument.  Asking the Foundation to play chicken with the lawyers of a
> major international organisation over a trademark claim on a relatively 
> new
> and easily replaced logo of ours does not offer a very good risk/reward
> ratio in my view.
>
> Cheers,
> Craig Franklin
>
>
>
> On 1 June 2013 19:59, Peter Southwood <peter.southwood at telkomsa.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone done a search on other logos with similar characteristics, to
>> see how much they differ? I think the WTO is taking a chance with this.
>> Which specific aspects do they object to?
>> Peter Southwood.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie Dennis" 
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>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 5:39 AM
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>>
>>
>>  On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:21 PM, MZMcBride <z at mzmcbride.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Michelle Paulson wrote:
>>>> >Since then, the Foundation has received a cease-and-desist letter from
>>>> >the
>>>> >WTO, requesting that we change the logo. While we wish that the WTO
>>>> >agreed
>>>> >with our assessment that the two logos contain substantial differences
>>>> >and
>>>> >could co-exist, we understand their concern. We still believe that 
>>>> >there
>>>> >are some significant differences between the Wikivoyage logo and the
>>>> >WTO,
>>>> >however, such arguments are not guaranteed to win if we were to 
>>>> >legally
>>>> >oppose this request because there are also some substantial
>>>> >similarities.
>>>> >With this in mind, as well as the fact that the Wikivoyage logo is 
>>>> >still
>>>> >relatively new and has not had a chance to build significant brand
>>>> >recognition yet, we believe the better solution is to hold a new
>>>> >community
>>>> >contest for a new logo.
>>>>
>>>> Will the current Wikivoyage logo be an option in this upcoming logo
>>>> selection contest? If the Wikivoyage community is strongly in favor of
>>>> retaining the logo it already approved, what are options?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> On behalf of a Wikivoyager, I've already asked the legal team if
>>> derivatives of the current logo would be usable, and I'm afraid the 
>>> answer
>>> is no. It must be a new logo.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I don't believe there's any precedent for the Wikimedia Foundation
>>>> vetoing
>>>> a community-approved logo in this manner. (Is there?) This seems like
>>>> unchartered territory for Wikimedia, so it's important to be cautious 
>>>> and
>>>> careful, I think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I think that the reason why there's no precedent is because this is 
>>>> the
>>> first time that we have run into a trademark infringement claim against 
>>> a
>>> logo.
>>>
>>>
>>>  >We believe that the community is the best body to decide what logo
>>>> >should
>>>> >represent their hard work and hope that interested community members
>>>> >will
>>>> >take this opportunity to once again showcase their creativity and 
>>>> >talent
>>>> >by submitting designs.
>>>>
>>>> As I posted on the relevant Meta-Wiki talk page just now, the Wikimedia
>>>> community cannot feel rushed or pressured to accept this new logo
>>>> selection procedure. Typically a discussion of this nature would last 
>>>> at
>>>> least thirty days, from my experience.
>>>>
>>>> This leaves two options, as I see it: pushing back the timeline for the
>>>> selection of a Wikivoyage logo by a few weeks or not using this 
>>>> procedure
>>>> for the selection of the next Wikivoyage logo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  The question of process is one for Meta, where discussion is already
>>> underway. No reason to fracture it. :) I appreciate your input there.
>>>
>>> Maggie
>>>
>>>
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>>> Maggie Dennis
>>> Senior Community Advocate
>>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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