[Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

[Craig Franklin]

I'm sure that the legal team has done their homework on this and would not
have made this recommendation unless they felt that the WTO had a credible
argument.  Asking the Foundation to play chicken with the lawyers of a
major international organisation over a trademark claim on a relatively new
and easily replaced logo of ours does not offer a very good risk/reward
ratio in my view.

Cheers,
Craig Franklin



On 1 June 2013 19:59, Peter Southwood <peter.southwood at telkomsa.net> wrote:

> Has anyone done a search on other logos with similar characteristics, to
> see how much they differ? I think the WTO is taking a chance with this.
> Which specific aspects do they object to?
> Peter Southwood.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie Dennis" <mdennis at wikimedia.org>
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> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 5:39 AM
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>
>
>  On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:21 PM, MZMcBride <z at mzmcbride.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Michelle Paulson wrote:
>>> >Since then, the Foundation has received a cease-and-desist letter from
>>> >the
>>> >WTO, requesting that we change the logo. While we wish that the WTO
>>> >agreed
>>> >with our assessment that the two logos contain substantial differences
>>> >and
>>> >could co-exist, we understand their concern. We still believe that there
>>> >are some significant differences between the Wikivoyage logo and the
>>> >WTO,
>>> >however, such arguments are not guaranteed to win if we were to legally
>>> >oppose this request because there are also some substantial
>>> >similarities.
>>> >With this in mind, as well as the fact that the Wikivoyage logo is still
>>> >relatively new and has not had a chance to build significant brand
>>> >recognition yet, we believe the better solution is to hold a new
>>> >community
>>> >contest for a new logo.
>>>
>>> Will the current Wikivoyage logo be an option in this upcoming logo
>>> selection contest? If the Wikivoyage community is strongly in favor of
>>> retaining the logo it already approved, what are options?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> On behalf of a Wikivoyager, I've already asked the legal team if
>> derivatives of the current logo would be usable, and I'm afraid the answer
>> is no. It must be a new logo.
>>
>>
>>  I don't believe there's any precedent for the Wikimedia Foundation
>>> vetoing
>>> a community-approved logo in this manner. (Is there?) This seems like
>>> unchartered territory for Wikimedia, so it's important to be cautious and
>>> careful, I think.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I think that the reason why there's no precedent is because this is the
>> first time that we have run into a trademark infringement claim against a
>> logo.
>>
>>
>>  >We believe that the community is the best body to decide what logo
>>> >should
>>> >represent their hard work and hope that interested community members
>>> >will
>>> >take this opportunity to once again showcase their creativity and talent
>>> >by submitting designs.
>>>
>>> As I posted on the relevant Meta-Wiki talk page just now, the Wikimedia
>>> community cannot feel rushed or pressured to accept this new logo
>>> selection procedure. Typically a discussion of this nature would last at
>>> least thirty days, from my experience.
>>>
>>> This leaves two options, as I see it: pushing back the timeline for the
>>> selection of a Wikivoyage logo by a few weeks or not using this procedure
>>> for the selection of the next Wikivoyage logo.
>>>
>>>
>>>  The question of process is one for Meta, where discussion is already
>> underway. No reason to fracture it. :) I appreciate your input there.
>>
>> Maggie
>>
>>
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>> Maggie Dennis
>> Senior Community Advocate
>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
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