[Wikimedia-l] Let's have the courage to sit down and talk about VisualEditor

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Quality like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One thing that I learned
today is that the Visual Editor will have functionality that only the more
accomplished editors will enter directly or they will use templates. With
VE these templates are redundant.

>From my perspective, the future will be with the VE and not with the
horrible tortuous templates that require study to use. One of the reasons
why I prefer Wikidata over Wikipedia is that Wikidata does not have
templates and is certainly as relevant. When I notice the improvements in
the Wikidata experience, I can only applaud the improvements made.

What is truly beyond me is that people protest the availability of the VE
edit button. It is the choice of everybody to use VE or not. When they do
they will have a similar experience I have with Wikidata.. You can only
rejoice for the improvements that are made. Given that the improvements to
the VE are a top priority, this experience can only be that much more
enjoyable..

For all the oldies who complain about VE I want to remind them about the
Commons experience; Commons existed without any functionality. It took
months before we could use the images in any Wikipedia.

Really stop moaning and let that button be.
Thanks,
    Gerard


On 31 July 2013 18:26, Marc A. Pelletier <marc at uberbox.org> wrote:

> On 07/31/2013 10:52 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> > I think it would be helpful, if possible, to give some guesstimates of
> > this, i.e.: how longer a wait it would cost us to reach some rank of
> > quality if the deployment was downscaled; or, what would be the
> > "deadline" for feedback on aspects X and Y to be actually able to be
> > processed and worked on, before previous development decisions become
> > irreversible or the developers move on to something else.
>
> Is it even possible to quantify this without just pulling numbers out of
> one's ass?  It's not just a matter of "10 times the number of users
> means 10 times the number of bugs found" since the /profile/ of the
> users changes drastically as well.
>
> For instance, allowing the VE only for registered editors is guaranteed
> to never reveal bugs/issues that only affects anonymous editing or
> interaction between anons and registered editors.
>
> Likewise, requiring opt-in or allowing opt-out changes the makeup of the
> users a great deal (the former making certain that only editors with at
> least some familiarity with how we work use it and thus preventing
> usability issues for "true newbies" from being found, the latter by
> allowing the more vocal and knowing segments of editors to "hide" the VE
> and no longer see issues they alone are well-equipped to notice or
> evaluate).
>
> -- Marc
>
>
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