[Wikimedia-l] Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation

[Romaine Wiki]

I don't get it... What is the purpose of a temporary opt-out? I don't see what that would solve. Power users still don't have a reason to use the VE, performance is worse, handy tools are missing and a lot of things can't be done easily with VE.

> As others have explained better than I, we think that users will be
> ill-served by this opt-out, and I hope that as few users as possible will
> choose this way to degrade their experience and deprive the community of
> their input. Instead of endlessly arguing the point about this, I'd rather
> my team and I spending our time working to make our sites better.

With such lousy replies I hope that as much as users would opt-out to give a signal that a different approach from developers/WMF is needed for local communities. And read please also http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-July/127111.html Perhaps that will give an idea why many users want an opt-out.


Romaine




James Forrester jforrester at wikimedia.org
Wed Jul 24 01:56:16 UTC 2013

On 23 July 2013 00:01, Erik Moeller <erik at wikimedia.org> wrote:

> > As I've noted in my response to wikitech-l just now, there's also the
> > issue of what "opt-out" should mean as VE becomes increasingly more
> > pervasive in the user experience.
> >
> > But as I've noted in [1], I do not think a compromise on the
> > preference question is necessarily out of reach. I've asked James and
> > team to deliberate on some of the possibilities here, and offered the
> > same suggestion I noted in [1].
> >
> 
> ​[As just posted to wikitech-l]​
> 
> Because I understand the level of concern that this matter is causing, I am
> changing my mind on this. For the duration of VisualEditor's "beta" period,
> there will be an opt-out user preference. This will be deployed tomorrow
> morning, San Francisco time. Once VisualEditor is out of 'beta', this
> preference will be removed.
> 
> As others have explained better than I, we think that users will be
> ill-served by this opt-out, and I hope that as few users as possible will
> choose this way to degrade their experience and deprive the community of
> their input. Instead of endlessly arguing the point about this, I'd rather
> my team and I spending our time working to make our sites better.
> 
​> Yours,
> -- 
> James D. Forrester
> Product Manager, VisualEditor
> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
> 
> jforrester at wikimedia.org | @jdforrester