[Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Markus Glaser]

I think the point about "representing" vs. "serving" was well understood 
in the London meeting. The planned outcome is a series of actions that 
serve all the chapters and even other entities. This will be our main 
focus. As I said before, when it comes to "representing", though, an 
opt-in model is the best way to go.

Markus

Am 25.02.2013 17:04, schrieb Charles Andrès:
> The opt-in model make sense to be sure that all members actually support the WCA and what can be said in the name of the WCA.
>
> But this is IMHO the problem, the WCA has been presented like a body that should represent the chapters in negociation with the WMF, but it has been received like a body that will actually  serve the big european chapters in their negotiation with the WMF.
>
> Thus it's normal that several chapters refuse to join an association that do not demonstrate its capacity to help every chapter, and not only the noisiest ones.
>
>
> Charles
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> Le 25 févr. 2013 à 16:45, Katherine Casey <fluffernutter.wiki at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> Seconding Béria here - by common sense, a group called the "Wikimedia
>> Chapters Association" would represent the Wikimedia chapters. If it only
>> exists to represent "Wikimedia chapters that sign on to ideas X and Y, and
>> pledge Z, and attend meeting Q", then the name ought to be more
>> representative of that - "Biggest Wikimedia Chapters Association", or
>> "Wikimedia Europe", or "Wikimedia Chapter Politics Interest Group"...
>>
>> -Fluffernutter
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Béria Lima <berialima at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, since the WCA don't plan to represent all the chapters, it would be
>>> good it changed the name to a more suitable representation of the truth
>>> (that would be something like "European Chapters Association" based on the
>>> people present in the last
>>> meeting<
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-07
>>>> )
>>> to avoid confusion.
>>> _____
>>> *Béria Lima*
>>>
>>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
>>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>>>
>>>
>>> On 25 February 2013 12:21, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj at alk.edu.pl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The model of voting delegates the casting of votes to members of the
>>>>> council; which are individuals, chosen by chapters. Purely from a
>>>>> practical perspective, it may not be possible for chapters to get
>>>>> council members in order by the deadline for this vote if they are not
>>>>> already members. Additionally, it's important to distinguish in voting
>>>>> between chapters abstaining and chapters simply not participating.
>>>>> Choosing to be a member, while not exercising a vote, is effectively
>>>>> assent to the outcome. This is not the case for those chapters which
>>>>> have chosen not to join the WCA.
>>>>>
>>>> while I agree that in principle WCA should serve the large Wikimedia
>>>> community and its impact should definitely not be limited to members
>>> only,
>>>> I believe it is quite dangerous from the point of view of governance to
>>>> separate membership from voting rights. Although  it could make perfect
>>>> sense to accept non-member chapter functionaries as candidates for the
>>>> board/chair/etc., the very right to vote should be reserved to those who
>>>> opt-in. Otherwise the chain of responsibility gets fuzzy, plus what
>>> Nathan
>>>> wrote.
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>>
>>>> dariusz
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Markus Glaser
WCA Council Member (WMDE)
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.