[Wikimedia-l] Info: Election for WCA Chairperson

[Charles Andrès]

The opt-in model make sense to be sure that all members actually support the WCA and what can be said in the name of the WCA.

But this is IMHO the problem, the WCA has been presented like a body that should represent the chapters in negociation with the WMF, but it has been received like a body that will actually  serve the big european chapters in their negotiation with the WMF.

Thus it's normal that several chapters refuse to join an association that do not demonstrate its capacity to help every chapter, and not only the noisiest ones.


Charles

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Le 25 févr. 2013 à 16:45, Katherine Casey <fluffernutter.wiki at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Seconding Béria here - by common sense, a group called the "Wikimedia
> Chapters Association" would represent the Wikimedia chapters. If it only
> exists to represent "Wikimedia chapters that sign on to ideas X and Y, and
> pledge Z, and attend meeting Q", then the name ought to be more
> representative of that - "Biggest Wikimedia Chapters Association", or
> "Wikimedia Europe", or "Wikimedia Chapter Politics Interest Group"...
> 
> -Fluffernutter
> 
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Béria Lima <berialima at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well, since the WCA don't plan to represent all the chapters, it would be
>> good it changed the name to a more suitable representation of the truth
>> (that would be something like "European Chapters Association" based on the
>> people present in the last
>> meeting<
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-07
>>> )
>> to avoid confusion.
>> _____
>> *Béria Lima*
>> 
>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>> 
>> 
>> On 25 February 2013 12:21, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj at alk.edu.pl> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The model of voting delegates the casting of votes to members of the
>>>> council; which are individuals, chosen by chapters. Purely from a
>>>> practical perspective, it may not be possible for chapters to get
>>>> council members in order by the deadline for this vote if they are not
>>>> already members. Additionally, it's important to distinguish in voting
>>>> between chapters abstaining and chapters simply not participating.
>>>> Choosing to be a member, while not exercising a vote, is effectively
>>>> assent to the outcome. This is not the case for those chapters which
>>>> have chosen not to join the WCA.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> while I agree that in principle WCA should serve the large Wikimedia
>>> community and its impact should definitely not be limited to members
>> only,
>>> I believe it is quite dangerous from the point of view of governance to
>>> separate membership from voting rights. Although  it could make perfect
>>> sense to accept non-member chapter functionaries as candidates for the
>>> board/chair/etc., the very right to vote should be reserved to those who
>>> opt-in. Otherwise the chain of responsibility gets fuzzy, plus what
>> Nathan
>>> wrote.
>>> 
>>> best,
>>> 
>>> dariusz
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