[Wikimedia-l] Strange, surprising, bold and unnecessary - reply to the WMF board statement

Wed Feb 6 21:33:14 UTC 2013

*"They represent the chapters".
*
That terrifies me...

On 6 February 2013 16:02, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton em gmail.com> wrote:

> The wca does not make decisions about what is and is not a chapter. The
> foundation (through AffCom) does that.
>
> The council members do not represent the movement. They represent the
> chapters.
> On Feb 6, 2013 4:30 PM, "Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton" <
> rodrigo.argenton em gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have not talked to use, said it's weird, and that's all.
> >
> > Alias, we never spoke for you to use, but you always forced us to use a
> > different model, not ours, so that today we could not enter the "club".
> And
> > even now that we adapt our model to model your model, you have not
> approved
> > us.
> >
> > And this is one of the points, if we're not as think as you do, we can
> not
> > be
> > part of the WCA, and not just any volunteer who can opine, are two per
> > chapter representing an entire community, and sometimes the chapter does
> > not represent the Movement Wikimedia of the country in its entirety,
> with a
> > gap between the publishing community and the offline community, the first
> > one, in this model, would never be represented.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6 February 2013 13:52, Charles Andrès <charles.andres.wmch em gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > In the WCA model the decision making power is held by the council, it
> > > means by the assembly of all chapters, there is no high power statutory
> > > position.
> > >
> > > And any chapter can be a member of the Chapter association.
> > >
> > >
> > > charles
> > > ___________________________________________________________
> > > I use this email for mailing list only.
> > >
> > > Charles ANDRES, Chairman
> > > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
> > > www.wikimedia.ch
> > > Skype: charles.andres.wmch
> > > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
> > >
> > > Le 6 févr. 2013 à 16:18, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> > > rodrigo.argenton em gmail.com> a écrit :
> > >
> > > > Administrators are just volunteers with tools that do what the
> > community
> > > > demands, has no decision-making powers, is not a statutory position.
> > > > Furthermore, anyone can volunteer in Wikis, but is not anyone who may
> > be
> > > a
> > > > member of WCA...
> > > >
> > > > And there are a lot of other differences that I'll let you think.
> > > >
> > > > On 6 February 2013 13:12, Charles Andrès <
> > charles.andres.wmch em gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I do not see big difference between what you call "wiki model" and
> an
> > > >> association like the chapters association.
> > > >>
> > > >> Every individual has the same right, for specific purpose both model
> > > need
> > > >> to elect a guy that took the responsibility.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ___________________________________________________________
> > > >> I use this email for mailing list only.
> > > >>
> > > >> Charles ANDRES, Chairman
> > > >> "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
> > > >> www.wikimedia.ch
> > > >> Skype: charles.andres.wmch
> > > >> IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
> > > >>
> > > >> Le 6 févr. 2013 à 15:55, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton <
> > > >> rodrigo.argenton em gmail.com> a écrit :
> > > >>
> > > >>> So ... you not believes in the model Wiki, and also not believes
> that
> > > he
> > > >> can be
> > > >>> used in other locations, unless in building a encyclopedia?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On 6 February 2013 12:51, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton em gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On 6 February 2013 14:44, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
> > > >>>> <rodrigo.argenton em gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>> I said this in Berlin, and I will repeat here: Why the chapters
> do
> > > not
> > > >>>>> apply the Wiki model in the offline world?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Because different problems require different solutions.
> > > >>>>
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