[Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

Mon Aug 26 21:58:36 UTC 2013

The internet Mr. Zuggerberg wants was nothing to do with the ideas of free
knowledge, online collaboration and open source as it is provided and
promoted by Wikimedia.

Don't believe the Hype. Even and especially if it is Hype 2.0.

Just because the Silicon Valley billionaires got caught with sleeping with
the NSA suddenly they push an "open internet for the world"-Idea to
distract everybody from the dark roots.

Wikimedia should stay far away from this crowd and its "initiatives". Maybe
in the future we should even get more distance between them (Facebook,
Google, etc.) and us.

Jens

2013/8/26 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>

> Hoi,
> For your information ... an interview with Mr Zuggerberg... In my opinion
> there is an opportunity as he is looking for dense information.. we are
> really good at that :)
> Thanks,
>      Gerard
>
> http://www.wired.com/business/2013/08/mark-zuckerberg-internet-org/
>
>
> On 23 August 2013 14:38, Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <emijrp at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Looks like NSA has bought some new hard drives and needs moar data.
> >
> >
> > 2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be
> > seen
> > > by many more people, they do us a service.
> > >
> > > In the end it is what we are about. Last thing I heard we were first of
> > all
> > > about getting the knowledge out there.
> > > Thanks,
> > >       GerardM
> > >
> > >
> > > On 23 August 2013 12:14, Jens Best <jens.best at wikimedia.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel,
> > they
> > > > don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So,
> > > actually,
> > > > Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make their
> > next
> > > > moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and with
> > > whom
> > > > they really cooperate.
> > > >
> > > > It's time to realize that there isn't a shared vision of the web
> > between
> > > > Silicon Valley and Wikimedia. Their words are empty. When they speak
> of
> > > > freedom, they speak of the freedom of money and control. Just because
> > > they
> > > > use the word "internet" they don't speak of the same thing we do.
> > > >
> > > > Jens
> > > >
> > > > 2013/8/23 Emmanuel Engelhart <kelson at kiwix.org>
> > > >
> > > > > Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit :
> > > > > > I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold
> for
> > > now.
> > > > > > Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how
> > would
> > > > > > internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort
> > to
> > > be
> > > > > > involved?
> > > > >
> > > > > If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement
> > > joins
> > > > > such a dishonest project.
> > > > >
> > > > > If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and
> > adapt
> > > > > their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a
> > > dilemma.
> > > > > A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical
> > > move)
> > > > > and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet
> > > > > (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have
> > done
> > > > > it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in
> > such
> > > > > situations ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet...
> > > then
> > > > > this is really a dream we should be part of!
> > > > >
> > > > > But, this is all about speculations...
> > > > >
> > > > > I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my
> > > hears.
> > > > > But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete
> projects.
> > > > > That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction
> > they
> > > > > will make the next moves.
> > > > >
> > > > > Emmanuel
> > > > > --
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