[Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

[JP Béland]

"And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say,
netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in
countries where the law is less developed? "

As said Kevin, it is impossible to respect the law of all countries in
every country (Wikipedia already fails at that in its current state by
the way, with or without Wikipedia Zero). So no we cannot "just
abstain from any
activity which might be perceived as illegal somewhere". After that,
are you suggesting we should apply the laws of some "developed"
countries to all countries and just ignore the others, this is way
more morally wrong in my opinion.

That being said, the law on net neutrality you cited applies to ISP,
which Wikipedia Zero or the WMF isn't, so it doesn't apply to it.

But of course, we as a community and the WMF should still keep high
ethical and moral standards.

JP Beland
aka Amqui


2013/8/26, Andre Engels <andreengels at gmail.com>:
> Dutch telecommunication law, article 7.4a (the net neutrality article),
> paragraph 3:
>
> "Aanbieders van internettoegangsdiensten stellen de hoogte van tarieven
> voor internettoegangsdiensten niet afhankelijk van de diensten en
> toepassingen die via deze diensten worden aangeboden of gebruikt."
>
> "Offerers of internet access services do not make the tariffs for internet
> access services dependent on the services and applications that are offered
> or used via these services."
>
> If an isp offers Wikipedia for free, and some other internet usage not,
> then it has a different tariff dependent on the service that is offered.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Stephen Bain <stephen.bain at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> To the best of my knowledge, every jurisdiction that has legislated on net
>> neutrality has concentrated on preventing ISPs from blocking, degrading or
>> charging extra for particular services; not one of them has a problem with
>> providers giving away certain data for free.
>>
>> S
>> On 26 Aug 2013 04:51, "rupert THURNER" <rupert.thurner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > hi,
>> >
>> > most people know some advantage of wikipedia zero and everybody can
>> > look up the advantages by just typing wikipedia zero into some search
>> > engine. as i am not sure about the answer and anyway get asked in rare
>> > cases what i think of wp:zero i guess it should be best answered on
>> > the mailing list:
>> >
>> > is wikipedia zero illegal in some countries because it violates net
>> > neutrality? and if it is illegal or borderline according to, say,
>> > netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in
>> > countries where the law is less developed? or should wikimedia
>> > foundation apply a higher moral standard and just abstain from any
>> > activity which might be perceived as illegal somewhere?
>> >
>> > just for the ones not so sure about net neutrality [1]:
>> > Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on
>> > the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging differentially by
>> > user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached
>> > equipment, and modes of communication.
>> >
>> > [1]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality
>> >
>> > rupert.
>> >
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