[Wikimedia-l] WMUA chapter mailing list switched to 'read-only' mode

[Asaf Bartov]

When one reads the links offered by Pavlo, the picture is clearer.  The
board is trying to suppress on-list criticism with this step, claiming
"people" (no doubt including Pavlo) are "trolls and spammers".  I think we
all know things are often not black and white, and that accusations of
trolling are sometimes used by people to brand legitimate opponents (and
sometimes people really are trolls).

I can't presume to know whether Pavlo is a troll or not, or what the
subtance of his criticism is, and how justified it may be.  WMUA's current
leadership elected to (try to) halt the debate rather than face the
criticism (no doubt they have engaged in multiple previous rounds as well),
and we can assume the WMUA membership will judge their action as they see
fit.

But let's not pretend this is a question of a sudden need to set up a new
mailing list.  That's not what this is about.

   A.


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Pavlo Shevelo <pavlo.shevelo at gmail.com>wrote:

> > WikimediaCH-l list to become a closed list due to some issues we
> had with private information (unwillingly) disclosed on that list.
> > Nobody questioned that change.
>
> The said WMUA mailing list from the moment of creation was closed for
> anybody else but WMUA members.
> I was one of the members, who questioned that but after explanation
> "private
> information might be (unwillingly) disclosed otherwise" I decided that it's
> not really a matter (or an important one) and stopped questioning.
>
> > the chapters community / members have an appropriate place to conduct
> their work
>
> Yours wording is exactly like that (above) while "what Nemo questioned" is:
>
> "do the member of the chapter have a suitable and working place where to
> discuss among themselves to carry out their duties and rights as members of
> the chapters?"
>
> The main issue is what is "work" for you (and "duties" for Nemo)?
> The point of WMUA Board is that members MUST do their "work" ("carry out
> their duties") and execution of Board ruling is part of that. So any
> critics of Board (or separate Board members) is distraction from the work
> :)
>
> The Nemo mentioned "and rights" in his questioning, so I believe his
> perception is closer to mine (while critics or at least questioning - is
> one of the rights for me and I guess for Nemo as well).
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Manuel Schneider <
> manuel.schneider at wikimedia.ch> wrote:
>
> > Am 18.08.2013 17:47, schrieb Pavlo Shevelo:
> > > is there any precedents known, when chapter Board do some alike
> rulings?
> >
> > all precedence known to me have been much less restrictive actions, such
> > as the WikimediaCH-l list to become a closed list due to some issues we
> > had with private information (unwillingly) disclosed on that list.
> > Nobody questioned that change.
> >
> > > Does it seems appropriate?
> >
> > My personal opinion is that the board may decide so, under consideration
> > of what Nemo questioned: That the chapters community / members have an
> > appropriate place to conduct their work. This may be disputed as it was
> > the formerly open and public list which has been closed but it could
> > also be considered that WikiUK-l could act as such place as well.
> > So from my point of view it is really up to the community at
> > WikimediaUA-l and WikiUK-l whether WikiUK-l is an appropriate
> > replacement or if another list is needed due to this change.
> >
> > /Manuel
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    Asaf Bartov
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