[Wikimedia-l] Why the WP will never be a real encyclopaedia

[George Herbert]

The specific examples you started with are not to my knowledge "problem POVs" - unless one of the White Power groups showed up while I wasn't paying attention.  It would seem much more of the "not gotten there yet" or "not (yet) well covered in reliable sources" for the specific ones.

Am I misunderstanding?

Unless I did miss something, it seems to me that the specific examples were poorly chosen and did not either clearly identify or illustrate the problem you are now getting at.

Which is a real but very complicated problem.


George William Herbert
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On Aug 1, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com> wrote:

> George
> 
> Thank you for your interest.
> 
> It is a systematic bias in not wanting some POVs. Which is why we got to
> the point that we have a whole encyclopaedia governing the issue of POV.
> 
> I think a better answer to your question would be provided by doing an
> analysis of articles with a high rate of reversals, undoings, 3Rs etc and
> what the POV are that lead to that behavour.
> 
> Rui
> 
> On 1 August 2013 23:38, George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Let me pose a set of questions -
>> 
>> 1; Do you feel this is systemic bias in people not wanting some articles?
>> 
>> 2; and/or, do you feel this is systemic bias in people not having yet
>> reached creating some articles?
>> 
>> 3; and/or,!do you feel this is systemic bias in lack of depth of coverage
>> in accessible reliable sources of some article topics?
>> 
>> If more than one of the above, what do you feel the relative weights of
>> cause are for that aspect of systemic bias?
>> 
>> 
>> George William Herbert
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 1, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> I am glad to see to see that so far everybody agrees with me, just nobody
>>> can see the forest for the trees and most prefer to demonstrate how
>>> offended they feel at my pointing out how naked the emperor is.
>>> 
>>> So, whereas I write "complete rubbish", what do you do to fight "systemic
>>> bias [which] is a serious problem"?
>>> 
>>> Rui
>>> 
>>> On 1 August 2013 23:23, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 1 August 2013 22:19, Rui Correia <correia.rui at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> So you mostly agree with m, but prefer to come out knee-jerking first
>> and
>>>>> only after that showing that you somehow agree.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> No, he's saying you're full of it, because you are. Under your
>>>> definition, there has never been an encyclopedia in human history.
>>>> This is not a useful definition.
>>>> 
>>>> Systemic bias is a serious problem, but writing complete rubbish isn't
>>>> going to solve it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - d.
>>>> 
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