[Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board & FDC elections?

[Craig Franklin]

Ting,

I don't think that Itzik has said anywhere that the election committee is
doing a bad job.  I think he is simply saying that you shouldn't have to
commit to having a meeting every week since February just to have an
opinion on the topic that is taken seriously.

Cheers,
Craig Franklin


On 30 April 2013 19:40, Ting Chen <wing.philopp at gmx.de> wrote:

> Hello Itzik
>
> yes, you are right.
>
> But, and this is a very big but. You organized Wikimania yourself, you
> know how much unseen and unthankable and unbelievable complicated and
> unnecessary work behind all the shiny things. The election committee is
> also a volunteer driven committee. It is a tremendous effort. They have
> weekly meeting since February, and they did a lot of things. It is unfair
> to stand out now and say you are doing a bad job.
>
> Greetings
> Ting
>
>
> Am 4/30/2013 11:24 AM, schrieb Itzik Edri:
>
>  Ting, Risker,
>>
>> 1. To share thoughts and feedback about the elections, you don't must to
>> be
>> volunteer  in the committee.
>>
>> 2. I indeed thought about it only when I saw the centralnotice and read
>> the
>> voting requirement, I may needed to raise it before. But it's still
>> doesn't
>> mean we need to ignore from this issue
>>
>> Itzik
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Ting Chen <wing.philopp at gmx.de> wrote:
>>
>>  Hello dear all,
>>>
>>> I would also like to ask everyone who has made their thoughts on the
>>> election to take part on the election committee themselves the next time.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately when I made the call for volunteer earlier this year not
>>> very many people responded.
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>> Ting
>>>
>>> Am 4/30/2013 12:57 AM, schrieb Risker:
>>>
>>>   On 29 April 2013 18:48, Asaf Bartov <abartov at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Itzik Edri <itzik at infra.co.il>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   I agree. We should limit it to only community members, or to give
>>>>> equal
>>>>>
>>>>>> right to everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asaf, you right, but we are talking also about the FDC elections. a
>>>>>> processes where we are not granting chapters and others organizations
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> right to vote but granting to the WMF. Giving only WMF staff, and not
>>>>>> chapters staff the right to vote in community process, it's like
>>>>>> saying
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  the
>>>>>
>>>>>  first are part of the community, but the second are not. I don't even
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  want
>>>>>
>>>>>  to refer to the sensitive issue of the staff voting for their
>>>>>> "bosses"..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   That's a very good point, and I think the chapter board members and
>>>>>>
>>>>> staff
>>>>> definitely _should_ be given a voice _at least_ in the FDC elections.
>>>>>  I
>>>>> leave it to the Elections Committee to propose solutions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   The Elections Committee posted its plan weeks before the election
>>>>>
>>>> started,
>>>> with hardly any commentary at all; it is only now, after candidates may
>>>> start entering the race, that people are complaining that we've failed
>>>> to
>>>> give the "right" people a vote (or alternately, that we've given too
>>>> many
>>>> people a vote).  There is almost no variation between the voter
>>>> eligibility
>>>> this year and in the previous election; the only relevant changes are
>>>> dates
>>>> for eligibility and the developer commit process (which was changed
>>>> because
>>>> the Engineering Department changed the way that commits were done).
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that those who would like to see changes at the next election
>>>> post on the election post mortem page[1] now, so that these ideas aren't
>>>> lost to time.
>>>>
>>>> Risker (Election Committee Member)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/****wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_**<http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_**>
>>>> elections_2013/Post_mortem<htt**p://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/**
>>>> Wikimedia_Foundation_**elections_2013/Post_mortem<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2013/Post_mortem>
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