[Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board & FDC elections?

[Ting Chen]

Hello Itzik

yes, you are right.

But, and this is a very big but. You organized Wikimania yourself, you 
know how much unseen and unthankable and unbelievable complicated and 
unnecessary work behind all the shiny things. The election committee is 
also a volunteer driven committee. It is a tremendous effort. They have 
weekly meeting since February, and they did a lot of things. It is 
unfair to stand out now and say you are doing a bad job.

Greetings
Ting


Am 4/30/2013 11:24 AM, schrieb Itzik Edri:
> Ting, Risker,
>
> 1. To share thoughts and feedback about the elections, you don't must to be
> volunteer  in the committee.
>
> 2. I indeed thought about it only when I saw the centralnotice and read the
> voting requirement, I may needed to raise it before. But it's still doesn't
> mean we need to ignore from this issue
>
> Itzik
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Ting Chen <wing.philopp at gmx.de> wrote:
>
>> Hello dear all,
>>
>> I would also like to ask everyone who has made their thoughts on the
>> election to take part on the election committee themselves the next time.
>>
>> Unfortunately when I made the call for volunteer earlier this year not
>> very many people responded.
>>
>> Greetings
>> Ting
>>
>> Am 4/30/2013 12:57 AM, schrieb Risker:
>>
>>   On 29 April 2013 18:48, Asaf Bartov <abartov at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>   On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Itzik Edri <itzik at infra.co.il> wrote:
>>>>   I agree. We should limit it to only community members, or to give equal
>>>>> right to everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Asaf, you right, but we are talking also about the FDC elections. a
>>>>> processes where we are not granting chapters and others organizations
>>>>> the
>>>>> right to vote but granting to the WMF. Giving only WMF staff, and not
>>>>> chapters staff the right to vote in community process, it's like saying
>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> first are part of the community, but the second are not. I don't even
>>>>>
>>>> want
>>>>
>>>>> to refer to the sensitive issue of the staff voting for their "bosses"..
>>>>>
>>>>>   That's a very good point, and I think the chapter board members and
>>>> staff
>>>> definitely _should_ be given a voice _at least_ in the FDC elections.  I
>>>> leave it to the Elections Committee to propose solutions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   The Elections Committee posted its plan weeks before the election
>>> started,
>>> with hardly any commentary at all; it is only now, after candidates may
>>> start entering the race, that people are complaining that we've failed to
>>> give the "right" people a vote (or alternately, that we've given too many
>>> people a vote).  There is almost no variation between the voter
>>> eligibility
>>> this year and in the previous election; the only relevant changes are
>>> dates
>>> for eligibility and the developer commit process (which was changed
>>> because
>>> the Engineering Department changed the way that commits were done).
>>>
>>> I suggest that those who would like to see changes at the next election
>>> post on the election post mortem page[1] now, so that these ideas aren't
>>> lost to time.
>>>
>>> Risker (Election Committee Member)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_**
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