[Wikimedia-l] Upcoming Survey, Feedback requested, and Office Hour

[Jan-bart de Vreede]

Hey

So someone sent me the internal-l mail and I do think that the "zero real-world" thing is taken out of context here. But a few points

1) Lets not have these discussions on internal-l, there is no reason to not have those in public
2) See 1)
3) I am sure that the data set allows us to see chapter's individual responses, depending on whether or not we know the country (I would figure we do?)
4) Doesn't every survey contain questions that don't apply to the whole responding audience?

Jan-Bart




On 14 sep. 2012, at 17:05, Florence Devouard <anthere9 at yahoo.com> wrote:

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> On 9/12/12 4:14 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
>> Hey
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>> So I might have missed some mails on this thread (perhaps because they were not posted on this public list) but I highly doubt that Sue perform surveys that do not have a real-world impact on our operations. I know that the results of the previous surveys were used in several discussions (including at a board level) in order to provide more insight….
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> Indeed. I agree. These surveys do have real-world impact, which is why we objected to a survey asking people from all over the world how they would rate Wikimedia Chapters activities when
> 1) there is likely no chapter in their country
> 2) they may have no idea that a "wikimedia chapter" is for example "Wikimedia Washington DC" or "Wikimedia Israel"
> 3) all chapters are collectively considered regardless of individual differences
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> And since you comment on that specific sentence
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> "I'll point out also that there are zero real-world implications for the survey results."
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> I'd like to clarify that these exact words come from Sue herself in an email sent on the 10th of September on internal-l.
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> I am glad to read that you disagree with that statement and recognize that there is real-world impact.
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> (did not want to comment any further on that problematic survey, but wanted to attribute statement properly)
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> Flo
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>> On the other hand, using these surveys to gain more insight is not the same as using them to "hold each other accountable" which is sometimes easy to do. Every survey (and questions) has a lots of interpretation magic which can easily lead you astray, but I don't have to tell you (the community) this :)
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>> Jan-Bart
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>> On 10 Sep 2012, at 23:01, Delphine Ménard <notafishz-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org> wrote:
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>>> Contrarily to Sue, I do
>>> think that these surveys (should) have a real-world impact and
>>> (should) keep us all on our toes, fine tuned to the critisicism, needs
>>> and wishes of the editors of the WIkimedia projects. As such I expect
>>> us to make sure that we do get as precise a picture as possible of
>>> what those are.
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