[Wikimedia-l] FDC recommendations on funds allocation, Round 1, 2012-13

[Osmar Valdebenito]

I spent the last twenty minutes writing that mail in English and now you
say it is irrelevant? Boo...
(by the way, in my last mail I was talking more general about the movement,
not only about the FDC)

2012/11/16 Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj at alk.edu.pl>

>
> Also, the fact that we're not native speakers is irrelevant - all of us
> have experience in writing longer pieces, most of us have experience with
> NGO evaluation, finance, or management, and handling documents related to
> it. What takes much more time that actual writing down is agreeing on the
> message to the letter.
>
> One thing that I'm really proud of is that we have been able to work
> relying on the consensus principle, and many varied perspectives and
> different angles of analysis (including e.g. areas where we sought
> alternatives to  the analyses provided by FDC staff and created our own
> models and simulations) came down to a recommendation we all agreed that we
> are fine with.
>
> I don't think it is realistic now to expect that we will be able to provide
> detailed feedback for each of the entities, also because of the fact that
> we treat reaching a consensus very seriously. We have been writing and
> rewriting the recommendation you have seen for quite a while, to make sure
> that it reflects our consensus fully, and it takes time.
>
> However, I hear your feedback and all of us at the FDC will think how to
> make sure that the whole process, and the amount of work and discussions,
> is more reflected in the final outcome of a recommendation. We definitely
> do not want to be a professional blackbox, and we've been really making
> efforts to make the application and project discussion transparent and
> collaborative (and we do hope it will be even more so, also from the
> chapters' side).
>
> best,
>
> Dariusz
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Osmar Valdebenito
> <osmar at wikimediachile.cl>wrote:
>
> > I agree that better and much more detailed reports would be great. I
> would
> > love to read what projects the FDC agrees with, which should change and
> so
> > on. But guys, the FDC is a group of volunteers with not enough time and
> > where few are native English speakers able to write long pages. I even
> > consider that the report is long enough, probably not about each chapter,
> > but about the process as a whole.
> >
> > Yes, it would be great to have a lot of details and I haven't seen any
> > problems by the FDC to provide them as long as you ask them but you can't
> > expect them to do all that extra work 'for free'.
> >
> > Osmar Valdebenito G.
> >
> >
> > 2012/11/16 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton at gmail.com>
> >
> > > I was also expecting a much more detailed report. I remember having a
> > > discussion with Anasuya about the timetable and I pointed out that she
> > > hadn't scheduled enough time for writing up the report. If she was
> > > thinking of a report like this one, then I can see why we disagreed. I
> > > thought a lot more time was needed because I was expecting a much more
> > > detailed report (about one side of A4 per application, perhaps).
> > >
> > > Report writing is something we are, as a movement, very bad at. A well
> > > written report can be read in isolation (with references to other
> > > documents for more detail if it is desired, but essential details
> > > should be in the report itself). It takes longer to write, certainly,
> > > but it takes a lot less time to read and digest, so overall a lot of
> > > time is saved by writing good reports.
> > >
> > > It's something that comes up annually with regards to Wikimania - we
> > > never get a decent report from the organisers. I also see it on a
> > > regular basis with Wikimedia UK - someone brings a subject to a board
> > > meeting for discussion without having produced a proper report on it,
> > > so the discussion is uninformed, unstructured and nobody knows what it
> > > is actually meant to achieve.
> > >
> > > Perhaps we could organise some reporting writing training for people,
> > > although I think the real problem is convincing people that it is
> > > worth doing properly.
> > >
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