[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 99, Issue 81

[Thomas Sieben]

@Tobias O.:
You are wrong, the day before yesterday 
RalfR. wrote,
that only the winners will write history 
(Aber es stimmt schon,
der Sieger schreibt die Geschichte, so 
falsch das auch sein mag 
<http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diskussion:Deutsche_Demokratische_Republik&diff=prev&oldid=104857671>),
a sentence which was (and is) used in 
germany against the
international Nuremberg Trials 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials> 
after WWII, (the court-trial against
the Hitlers gang) till today.  In RalfRs 
opinion, the former goverment
of east germany was not a dictatorship. 
If you would take this sentence as
true, no enzyklopaedian would have 
written their books.
It looks like as if RalfR. wants to be a 
winner...

The posting I wrote to the german 
chapter mailinglist, was object to
anonymous censorchip by the german 
mailinglist administration,
nevertheless I would never use a word 
like bullshit :) :

On Tue, Jun 28, 2012 at 14:32 PM (CET), Paul<paul.m.nz at gmail.com>  wrote:

> Ihre Anfrage an die Mailingliste WikiDE-l
>
>      Veröffentlichung Ihrer Nachricht betreffend "Re: WikiDE-l
> Nachrichtensammlung, Band 107, Eintrag 10"
>
> wurde vom Listenmoderator mit folgender Begruendung abgewiesen:
>
> "Ihre Nachricht wurde vom Moderator als unangebracht erachtet. Keine
> PAs auf der ML."
>
> Fragen oder Kommentare richten Sie bitte an den Listenadministrator:
>
>      wikide-l-owner at lists.wikimedia.org

It is not only the writing of RolfR. and 
a signifcance part of the
german admins, it is their 
far-right-wing political behavior which I
criticize. Till today FrankS., member of 
the far-right-group "Schlagende
Verbindung 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_fencing>" 
is responsible in the foundation for the 
Outreach project.
A bad joke.  Another bad joke is the 
exclusion of the user Brummfuss,
he was founder of the Nazipedia-Warning 
page 
<http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Brummfuss/Nazipedia> 
which listed the
articles with right wing bias writers. 
First the page was deleted,
and then Brummfuss 
<http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Brummfuss>was 
deleted.
I will continue to criticize that: 
inside and outside of the WP-project.
Thomas7

(Pardon for my bad English).
More informations about the nazi- and 
fascistoid problems in the german wikipedia:
http://thomas7.netau.net/




> On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:55:33 +0200    Tobias Oelgarte<tobias.oelgarte at googlemail.com>  wrote:
>
> If you only write bullshit like this, then i know why you got blocked. I
> know RalfR in person and he did never advocate anything related to the
> right wing. Considering the given example you are completely
> illusionary. RalfR did not take the image itself but uploaded it to
> Wikiversity under the assumption that it falls under the "Zitatrecht",
> which is not assumed for Wikipedia itself, because the community is not
> 100% (only 90%) sure that it would allow to "cite" such images, roughly
> comparable to fair use on EN.
>
> Whats next - Will you call him also an left wing otaku because he
> suggested to me to write an article about Nagisa Furukawa?[1] Pure nonsense.
>
> [1]
> http://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Kurs:Zeichnen_im_Stile_von_Manga_und_Anime_in_Inkscape/Nagisa_Furukawa
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:42:12 -0700
> From: Jay Walsh<jwalsh at wikimedia.org>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] O'Dwyer
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>>
>>> It would be interesting to see the community develop its own high profile
>>> media contacts so this view can be communicated to the world!
>>>
>>>
>> If Jimmy can write this in The Guardian (a paper which really seems to like
>> him a lot),
>>
>> ---o0o---
>>
>> Together, we won the battle against Sopa and Pipa. Together, we can win
>> this one too.
>>
>> ---o0o---
>>
>> and it ends up copied in newspapers around the world,
>>
>>
>> https://news.google.co.uk/news/story?q=%22Together,+we+won+the+battle+against+Sopa+and+Pipa.+Together,+we+can+win+this+one+too.%22&hl=en&prmd=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf
>> .,cf.osb&biw=1066&bih=743&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dgWkAFmBLjQBsNMJyGJqPnbvsPpkM&sa=X&ei=xXTrT8rQHYqp8QO_hqXVBQ&ved=0CC0QqgIwAA
>>
>> attributed to the Wikipedia founder, then there really is no discernible
>> difference between his view and Wikipedia's, or Google's.
>>
>>
> Hi folks -  I'm a bit late to this thread, but I wanted to chime in. The
> Communications Committee list/group brought up the issue of some wildly
> inaccurate headlines on this story over the last 48hrs, and with their help
> and some outreach we've tried to get some corrections.
>
> The press is going to make a very logical, if occasionally wildly
> inaccurate, series of judgements on how to frame this whole topic/issue up.
> Headlines are commonly over-generalized to the point of being dead wrong -
> "Wikipedia backs Richard O'Dwyer petition" etc.
>
> The Wikimedia (chapter etc) folks who work with the press around the world
> are regularly doing everything possible to avoid the overly general
> summaries that come out in the media. We (and certainly WMF) are highly
> sensitive to incorrect facts, and generally the media actually appreciate
> it when we're able to reach out and get corrections. Wikimedians and
> readers of the stories who offer up comments/responses on stories - below
> the story - can help with this too. In some cases we have relationships
> with senior editors at outlets and can get things fixed quickly. In other
> cases timezones and publication timelines make this harder to resolve.
>
> I know how quickly a bad headline can spiral into more headlines and
> echoing of false information. We hold the news outlets who originate those
> stories and the ones that continue to repeat them accountable, and we ask
> them to get it right.
>
> Just wanted to let you know that there's almost always an effort underway
> to get corrections recorded. Jimmy is also very sensitive to these facts
> and frequently when he sees an issue in a story he was interviewed for he
> writes directly to the reporter for a fix.
>
> jay
>