[Wikimedia-l] Mobbing in the german Wikipedia, was: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 99, Issue 76

Wed Jun 27 17:39:54 UTC 2012

The following mail to the mailinglist of 
the german chapter
is subject to far-right-wing censorship:

> Damit Landserheft-Foto-Verbreiter 
> (http://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Datei:Der_Landser.JPG)
> im geschmackvollen Hellbraunhemd 
> (http://tinyurl.com/hellbraunes-hemd*)*
> wie RalfR. in der Wikipedia freie Bahn 
> haben?
> Ich habe in der Wikipedia geschrieben, 
> bevor
> RalfR. da war und werde dort 
> schreiben, wenn
> RalfR. und seine Gesinnungsfreunde 
> schon weg sind.
> Thomas7 Sieben.
> http://thomas7.netau.net/
>
>
> Am 27.06.2012 , fragte RalfR.:
>> Hat dich jemand nach deiner Meinung 
>> gefragt?
> und forderte:
>> Bitte diesen Account von der ML löschen.

My first account in the meta-wikipedia 
Thomas7 was blocked
by the far-right-wing member of the 
"schlagende verbindung"
FrankS, responsible for the foundations 
Outreach-Program, which is itself
a scandal. The german community is 
object of a group of people,
mobbing liberal and left-liberals out of 
the project, so the thanks-deserving
Brummfus...
Thomas7
http://thomas7.netau.net/

Am 27.06.2012 18:36, schrieb 
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>     1. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
>        advertising pressure. (Marc A. Pelletier)
>     2. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
>        advertising pressure. (Andreas Kolbe)
>     3. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
>        advertising pressure. (David Gerard)
>     4. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
>        advertising pressure. (David Richfield)
>     5. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
>        advertising pressure. (David Gerard)
>     6. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
>        advertising pressure. (David Richfield)
>     7. Re: TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in title under
>        advertising pressure. (David Gerard)
>     8. O'Dwyer (Andreas Kolbe)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:05:43 -0400
> From: "Marc A. Pelletier"<marc at uberbox.org>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in
> 	title under advertising pressure.
> Message-ID:<4FEB0527.7080400 at uberbox.org>
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>
> On 27/06/2012 12:10 AM, Anthony wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kim Bruning<kim at bruning.xs4all.nl>   wrote:
>>> The SOPA strike was necessary for us to retain neutrality.
>> Figuratively speaking, or do you think it actually made a whit of difference?
> I'm pretty sure it had an effect; if only that of increased media
> coverage (Wikipedia's visible action did focus much of the coverage).
> To me, at least, it seems evident that the backlash against SOPA was
> stoked by that media coverage.
>
> So yes, I'm pretty sure it did make a difference.
>
> -- Coren / Marc
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:03:53 +0100
> From: Andreas Kolbe<jayen466 at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in
> 	title under advertising pressure.
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAHRTtW_r9Da4ZzKhGpe+Cxk6r1FQwJGJRyysS9+iFONYikL7ng at mail.gmail.com>
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> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:39 AM, Theo10011<de10011 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> So, a chain of events during a 4 month period can not be incidental. What
>> you neglect to mention that there was an annual fundraiser during the end
>> of the year, this was not the first grant Google made to Wikimedia, in
>> fact, it might not even be the second, they donated in the past fundraisers
>> as well, larger amounts I believe. I am thinking of the 2
>> Million received from Google in 2010.
>>
>
> I know Google gave 2 million in 2010, though I am unsure whether that makes
> Google influence less or more likely.
>
> To recap, posters here said that what happened to TV Tropes ? i.e. Google
> influencing their content decisions ? couldn't happen to Wikipedia. That
> seems rather blue-eyed.
>
>
>
>> Now, far be it for me to defend Jimmy, but the central assumption in your
>> polemic is, that jimmy is devoid of caring about any social issues, issues
>> that might even affect the identity he has created. He would have to be
>> paid in order to care, if not Google than someone else paying him off to
>> care, can't it just be that he believes in something? even if there is
>> a perceived threat? I know it might be hard to believe, but people have
>> been known to care about legislation and larger social issues from time to
>> time, and use the platform they have.
>>
>
> I'm sure Jimmy would not have been a friend of SOPA, regardless of what
> Google thought. But I was truly surprised to see Wikipedia jettison its
> "holy of holies" ? NPOV ? in a poll inviting participation from IPs and
> SPAs, and becoming a political actor. Whether the money greased the wheels
> or not, it was the sell-out of a principle many had signed up for.
>
> Scott put it rather well:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Scott_MacDonald
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:08:53 +0100
> From: David Gerard<dgerard at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in
> 	title under advertising pressure.
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAJ0tu1GpwdyrA+aZzwZHxAn1eEE7UsYZP529EOcbCUBRKNwQnQ at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> On 27 June 2012 05:59, geni<geniice at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On 27 June 2012 05:15, Andreas Kolbe<jayen466 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> I was actually thinking of the board, or just Jimbo himself, rather than
>>> any wider group of luminaries (or actual Wikipedia editors). If Google
>>> wanted something, I am sure they would speak in person to the people they
>>> have had personal contact with.
>> The problem with your theory is that firstly it assumes a level of
>> control that those people don't have and secondly that you are
>> forgetting that Google is a PLC.
>
> It's already been established that Wikimedia conspires directly with
> Rupert Murdoch's news organisation:
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-October/061602.html
>
> - so in comparison, Andreas' claims are *relatively* sane.
>
>
> - d.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:02:36 +0200
> From: David Richfield<davidrichfield at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in
> 	title under advertising pressure.
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAE_D4n447Q0Spk9aFMyLADcYU9EgrrSbmWxchdqmLDVBmo8kJQ at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> This must be the most misleading mailing list title I've seen in a
> long time.  Almost all of these tropes are untouched:
> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes?from=Main.RapeTropes
> - it seems they just had a problem with Google withdrawing ad revenue
> because they hadn't clearly demarcated all the pages which were not OK
> according to Google's terms.
>
> With that said, it does make a great case for why Wikimedia should
> remain independent: we have enough to do to ensure the quality of our
> project without also worrying about whether we'll irritate Google.
>
> [[:en:User:Slashme]]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:10:12 +0100
> From: David Gerard<dgerard at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in
> 	title under advertising pressure.
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAJ0tu1HzpBdvOZn=6O1e6-HWXCLSgARwEcxgB7XJr71cyzL1JA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> On 27 June 2012 16:02, David Richfield<davidrichfield at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> This must be the most misleading mailing list title I've seen in a
>> long time. ?Almost all of these tropes are untouched:
>> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes?from=Main.RapeTropes
>> - it seems they just had a problem with Google withdrawing ad revenue
>> because they hadn't clearly demarcated all the pages which were not OK
>> according to Google's terms.
>
> This is pretty much completely wrong, as you'd know if you'd read the
> links at the beginning. The pages were already marked "don't put ads
> here". Google objected to their presence on the site at all. The pages
> were removed, the internet said "wtf" and TVtropes has now restored
> them without hearing back from Google.
>
>
> - d.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:30:26 +0200
> From: David Richfield<davidrichfield at gmail.com>
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List<wikimedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with "Rape" in
> 	title under advertising pressure.
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAE_D4n6xkc2r8bt9FCTrZtrziWzqEL=YhMcNzX6WdJxeh+4t4g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:10 PM, David Gerard<dgerard at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> On 27 June 2012 16:02, David Richfield<davidrichfield at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> This must be the most misleading mailing list title I've seen in a
>>> long time. ?Almost all of these tropes are untouched:
>>> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes?from=Main.RapeTropes
>>> - it seems they just had a problem with Google withdrawing ad revenue
>>> because they hadn't clearly demarcated all the pages which were not OK
>>> according to Google's terms.
>>
>> This is pretty much completely wrong, as you'd know if you'd read the
>> links at the beginning. The pages were already marked "don't put ads
>> here". Google objected to their presence on the site at all. The pages
>> were removed, the internet said "wtf" and TVtropes has now restored
>> them without hearing back from Google.
> Wow, they moved fast!  I read the blog post and then went to check,
> and found the supposedly deleted articles up, less than a full day
> after the original mailing list email, so I assumed there had to be
> some mistake.  How long were the articles actually deleted?
>