[Foundation-l] the limits for fundraising. Was Blnk tag jokes are now obsolete.

[Oliver Keyes]

Check the IP history; Jan-Bart added them ;p

On 4 January 2012 16:21, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton at gmail.com> wrote:

> Check the page history - I don't think those bits were added by the
> foundation.
> On Jan 4, 2012 3:26 PM, "WereSpielChequers" <werespielchequers at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Re Tom's suggestion that we have an RFC on meta to discuss what we are
> and
> > aren't prepared to do when fundraising; We already have a discussion at
> > Meta
> >
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Draft_Guiding_principles_with_regards_to_fundraising
> > .
> > Funny thing is that debate has almost been the mirror of here with the
> > Foundation proposing things like "Fundraising in line with our mission
> and
> > values: Our fundraising activities should aim to raise a movement budget
> > using only methods that strengthen our mission and values and communicate
> > them to all of our users and the world" and even "All Wikimedia
> fundraising
> > activities should be truthful with prospective donors."
> >
> > May I suggest that we revive that overly quiet discussion?
> >
> > WSC
> >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 17:28:39 +0000
> > > From: Tom Morris <tom at tommorris.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Blink tag jokes are now obsolete.
> > > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
> > >        <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
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> > CAAQB2S-NYpP7AtTk8Aq6Q2o9bgc3HcFk5+Hxyya4b1OSSMBiUA at mail.gmail.com
> > > >
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> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 14:50, Stephen Bain <stephen.bain at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > Fabricating a sense of urgency that donations are immediately
> > > > necessary at the end of the campaign to keep the projects operational
> > > > and freely available (ie, "Please help Wikipedia pay its bills in
> > > > 2012" [1], "Last day to make a tax-deductible contribution to keep
> > > > Wikipedia free in 2012" [2], etc) is as unethical now as it was in
> > > > last year's campaign ("Please donate to keep Wikipedia free" in the
> > > > banner you linked to [3], etc).
> > > >
> > > > This discussion about blinking banners might seem trivial but it
> > > > serves as a very obvious reminder, in style now as well as substance,
> > > > of the disjoint between the fundraising team's work and the norms and
> > > > ethos of the community and projects.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Would it be an idea to have some kind of RfC or something like that on
> > > Meta where community members could come up with a list of things we
> > > roughly agree are the limits for fundraising.
> > >
> > > I think the fundraising team have done really well, but there have
> > > been a few things we really need to fix for next year, starting with
> > > the limits that the community are comfortable with regarding banner
> > > length, tone, graphical style etc.
> > >
> > > The other thing I think we really need to fix before next year is
> > > making clear to OTRS volunteers exactly what the right channels and
> > > actions are to handle fundraiser-related emails. And maybe it would be
> > > useful if we could go through fundraiser-related emails in OTRS and
> > > somehow tag the feedback into categories (perhaps on OTRS Wiki) and
> > > then give back to the community some statistics about how many
> > > complaints and emails we have had about fundraising and what the
> > > nature of those complaints and emails are so the Foundation and
> > > community can better tune the banners and fundraising for next year.
> > >
> > > On a subjective level, there's lots of things I've seen in e-mail from
> > > people: they would like to buy a t-shirt rather than donate (the
> > > Foundation really need to sort out merchandise - other similar
> > > non-profits like Mozilla Foundation, Creative Commons and so on have
> > > really nailed merchandise), they want SMS donations in various
> > > European countries, they want it so that if they've donated it removes
> > > the banner for the rest of the fundraiser.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tom Morris
> > > <http://tommorris.org/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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