[Wikimedia-l] Travel Guide Wiki
ryan.holliday at gmail.com
Thu Apr 12 09:14:46 UTC 2012
On 4/12/2012 12:04 AM, rupert THURNER wrote:
> I am not to deep into this, so please bear with me if it already was
> mentioned before: what are the main issues you face with the current
As with any diverse community different individuals will have different
opinions, but some of the issues that led to the current discussion on
- The WT community does not have any control over the technical
administration of the site. Simple Mediawiki configuration changes can
take months to get implemented (see for example
http://wikitravel.org/shared/Tech:Enable_range_blocks), the current site
is running Mediawiki 1.1.2 and in the midst of a promised upgrade to
1.1.7 (note: NOT 1.1.8) that began in July 2011 and still has no clear
completion date, and any enhancements to the site that would involve use
of plugins or other technical enhancements must generally be dismissed
as impractical given the current support situation.
- The existing community is no longer growing. After many years of
neglect from the site's owners several of the language versions lack
active communities, while the active language versions are mostly
treading water. Most of this stagnation can be traced to frustration
with current site management (performance problems, lack of
responsiveness to technical requests, etc).
- The current site owners are intent on monetizing the site in ways that
are expected to be detrimental to the site. See
http://wikitravel.org/shared/Talk:Advertising_policy for some of their
advertising proposals, and
http://wikitravel.org/shared/Tech:Add_booking_tool_to_WT for an upcoming
change that has not received the support of any existing contributors,
but that will be arriving soon nonetheless.
There are other issues, but this provides some insight. The WT
community has attempted to work with the existing owners for many years
to address concerns, but at this point it seems pretty clear that they
are either unable or unwilling to do more than the bare minimum required
to keep the site viable, and that's not a scenario under which the site
can come close to realizing its full potential.
It is believed that a move to WMF would immediately resolve all of these
issues. Given the WMF's established ability to competently managed
large Mediawiki sites technical concerns should be greatly reduced.
Similarly, the visibility of being a WMF project would enlarge the
community, and the additional tools available (newer Mediawiki tools,
access to plugins, ability to integrate with commons, etc) would free up
the existing community to focus on the site rather than on simply
fighting spam and dealing with technical issues. Finally, concerns over
misguided monetization efforts are unlikely to be a problem given the
existing advertising policies of WMF.
Ryan (WT bureaucrat)
More information about the Wikimedia-l