[Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

[Tobias Oelgarte]

It means that the German Wikipedia has to respect DACH(German, Austria, 
Switzerland)-law as well as US-law. The first affects the authors 
directly. The second because the servers are hosted in US. If we don't 
comply with US-law the page might be taken down by US jurisdiction. It 
we don't comply with DACH-law we might be prosecuted by ourself.

Thats why we have to respect both laws and thats also why Commons needs 
to comply to the law of any country that signed the previously linked 
treaties.

Quite simple isn't it? But this has nothing to do with the original 
topic anymore. We talked about the fact, that a big majority of the 
German speaking contributers don't want that filter and how the WMF 
thinks to react onto this.

Tobias

Am 16.09.2011 13:28, schrieb Strainu:
> German laws matter for german citizend. It's still not clear what that
> means for the rest of us (except that de.wp took a decision)
>
> 2011/9/16 emijrp<emijrp at gmail.com>:
>> Again, who are "we"? And why do German laws matter with USA servers? Why
>> does only German Wikipedia exclude that images? Are English Wikipedia or
>> Commons blocked in Germany?
>>
>> By the way, not all German Wikipedians/readers are under German laws.
>>
>> And I don't remember any Wikipedia removing content to respect Chinese local
>> laws when Wikipedia was blocked there.
>>
>> 2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte<tobias.oelgarte at googlemail.com>
>>
>>> Very simple: There is the Schutzlandprinzip. [1] To bad that EN has no
>>> article for it. But you can read the following articles to understand
>>> why this example was stupid, and that we bound to this laws, even if the
>>> servers are at nirvana:
>>> *
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works
>>> *
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_Trade-Related_Aspects_of_Intellectual_Property_Rights
>>> *
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Organization_Copyright_Treaty
>>> *
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Industrial_Property
>>>
>>> [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzlandprinzip
>>>
>>> Am 16.09.2011 13:01, schrieb Strainu:
>>>> Not really, no. What does german law have to do with reading or
>>>> editing some website in Tampa or Virginia from somewhere in Asia? I
>>>> can understand that german nationals cannot use that image, but
>>>> whatabout other germen speakers?
>>>>
>>>> Strainu
>>>>
>>>> 2011/9/16 Liesel<koehler-liesel73 at gmx.de>:
>>>>> Your stupid!
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 16.09.2011 12:39, schrieb emijrp:
>>>>>> Hi all;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are more issues with images in German Wikipedia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is funny how German Wikipedia doesn't allow images[1] (image added
>>> by
>>>>>> me[2] in de:, and later removed by other[3]) because they follow the
>>> most
>>>>>> restrictive copyright law from Germany, Austria and Switzerland[note
>>> 1], but
>>>>>> they are now against giving people the choice to hide images.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in
>>>>>> German Wikipedia for all those who don't want to see
>>>>>> copyrighted-images-for-German-law, meanwhile allowing other people to
>>> see
>>>>>> all Commons splendour. Using the image filter to improve the rights of
>>>>>> readers of German Wikipedia. Very cool, right? ; )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> emijrp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>
>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bildrechte#Wikipedia_richtet_sich_nach_DACH-Recht
>>>>>> [2]
>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Knox&oldid=81377280
>>>>>> [3] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Knox
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [note 1] I heard there are German speaking users outside Europe, right?
>>> I
>>>>>> heard too that, from Germany, you can follow interwiki and see that
>>> images
>>>>>> in other Wikipedias, right? So, what is the sense of that policy? Are
>>> not
>>>>>> the servers in USA?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte<tobias.oelgarte at googlemail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear readers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yesterday, on September 15th 2011, the German Wikipedia closed the
>>> poll
>>>>>>> (Meinungsbild) "Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter". [1] It asked the
>>>>>>> question if the personal image filter can be introduced or if it
>>> should
>>>>>>> not be introduced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A strong majority of 86% percent voted to not allow the personal image
>>>>>>> filter [2] , despite the fact that the board already decided to
>>>>>>> introduce the feature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The questions are:
>>>>>>> * Will the board or the WMF proceed with the introduction of the
>>>>>>> personal image filter against the will of it's second largest
>>> community?
>>>>>>> * If the WMF/board does not care about the first question. Will it
>>>>>>> affect the way the personal image filter will be implemented? For
>>>>>>> example: Not for all projects. A different implementation as suggested
>>>>>>> inside the "image filter referendum".
>>>>>>> * Will there be an attempt to follow this example and to question
>>> other
>>>>>>> communities the same question?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings from
>>>>>>> Tobias Oelgarte
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C3%B6nlicher_Bildfilter
>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C3%B6nlicher_Bildfilter#Auswertung
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