[Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

[Strainu]

German laws matter for german citizend. It's still not clear what that
means for the rest of us (except that de.wp took a decision)

2011/9/16 emijrp <emijrp at gmail.com>:
> Again, who are "we"? And why do German laws matter with USA servers? Why
> does only German Wikipedia exclude that images? Are English Wikipedia or
> Commons blocked in Germany?
>
> By the way, not all German Wikipedians/readers are under German laws.
>
> And I don't remember any Wikipedia removing content to respect Chinese local
> laws when Wikipedia was blocked there.
>
> 2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte <tobias.oelgarte at googlemail.com>
>
>> Very simple: There is the Schutzlandprinzip. [1] To bad that EN has no
>> article for it. But you can read the following articles to understand
>> why this example was stupid, and that we bound to this laws, even if the
>> servers are at nirvana:
>> *
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works
>> *
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_on_Trade-Related_Aspects_of_Intellectual_Property_Rights
>> *
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Organization_Copyright_Treaty
>> *
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Industrial_Property
>>
>> [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzlandprinzip
>>
>> Am 16.09.2011 13:01, schrieb Strainu:
>> > Not really, no. What does german law have to do with reading or
>> > editing some website in Tampa or Virginia from somewhere in Asia? I
>> > can understand that german nationals cannot use that image, but
>> > whatabout other germen speakers?
>> >
>> > Strainu
>> >
>> > 2011/9/16 Liesel<koehler-liesel73 at gmx.de>:
>> >> Your stupid!
>> >>
>> >> Am 16.09.2011 12:39, schrieb emijrp:
>> >>> Hi all;
>> >>>
>> >>> There are more issues with images in German Wikipedia.
>> >>>
>> >>> It is funny how German Wikipedia doesn't allow images[1] (image added
>> by
>> >>> me[2] in de:, and later removed by other[3]) because they follow the
>> most
>> >>> restrictive copyright law from Germany, Austria and Switzerland[note
>> 1], but
>> >>> they are now against giving people the choice to hide images.
>> >>>
>> >>> I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in
>> >>> German Wikipedia for all those who don't want to see
>> >>> copyrighted-images-for-German-law, meanwhile allowing other people to
>> see
>> >>> all Commons splendour. Using the image filter to improve the rights of
>> >>> readers of German Wikipedia. Very cool, right? ; )
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> emijrp
>> >>>
>> >>> [1]
>> >>>
>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bildrechte#Wikipedia_richtet_sich_nach_DACH-Recht
>> >>> [2]
>> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Knox&oldid=81377280
>> >>> [3] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Knox
>> >>>
>> >>> [note 1] I heard there are German speaking users outside Europe, right?
>> I
>> >>> heard too that, from Germany, you can follow interwiki and see that
>> images
>> >>> in other Wikipedias, right? So, what is the sense of that policy? Are
>> not
>> >>> the servers in USA?
>> >>>
>> >>> 2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte<tobias.oelgarte at googlemail.com>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Dear readers
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yesterday, on September 15th 2011, the German Wikipedia closed the
>> poll
>> >>>> (Meinungsbild) "Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter". [1] It asked the
>> >>>> question if the personal image filter can be introduced or if it
>> should
>> >>>> not be introduced.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A strong majority of 86% percent voted to not allow the personal image
>> >>>> filter [2] , despite the fact that the board already decided to
>> >>>> introduce the feature.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The questions are:
>> >>>> * Will the board or the WMF proceed with the introduction of the
>> >>>> personal image filter against the will of it's second largest
>> community?
>> >>>> * If the WMF/board does not care about the first question. Will it
>> >>>> affect the way the personal image filter will be implemented? For
>> >>>> example: Not for all projects. A different implementation as suggested
>> >>>> inside the "image filter referendum".
>> >>>> * Will there be an attempt to follow this example and to question
>> other
>> >>>> communities the same question?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Greetings from
>> >>>> Tobias Oelgarte
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [1]
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C3%B6nlicher_Bildfilter
>> >>>> [2]
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C3%B6nlicher_Bildfilter#Auswertung
>> >>>>
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