[Foundation-l] Show community consensus for Wikilove

[Oliver Keyes]

I was saying that the WL layout > posting on talkpages ;p.

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Theo10011 <de10011 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Oliver Keyes <scire.facias at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > You seem to be missing my point - that the WL tool serves an ulterior
> > function of allowing users who do not understand markup to communicate
> and
> > request help in a way they can understand. I *am* saying that most of
> those
> > with few or no edits will have problems understanding markup, which is
> why
> > it's important, even without WL's core purpose, that the tool remain
> > available to new editors.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Fae <fae at wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > On 30 October 2011 08:06, Oliver Keyes <scire.facias at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Surely making it only available to those users who understand markup
> > > > completely undermines one of the great unintended consequences - that
> > > it's
> > > > really useful for posting talkpage messages?
> > >
> > > I did not equate "users with 10 edits" with those that understand
> > > markup, these are different things. My use of the word "template" is
> > > generic, in that Wikilove provides standard templates for user talk
> > > pages, this does not imply anything about the ability of users to
> > > understand wiki markup or html.
> > >
> > > Apologies if my language was not plain enough to avoid
> > > misinterpretation in unexpected ways.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Fae
> > >
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> Those are two separate things. One, the delivery mechanism for Wikilove, a
> pop-up window on top of the userpage to select and click on a pretty
> picture and add a message. Second, the actual content, the
> barn-star/kitty/food template.
>
> I disagree with Ironholds that it would be easier for a new users to
> navigate the hundreds of pages of commonly used templates and then find the
> right one to use and then use it correctly after customizing it, as opposed
> to you know, leaving a message in plain English. Last I checked,
> "pseudo-HTML markups" weren't a necessity for posting on a talk page.
>
> It prob. takes someone at least a good 50-100 edits before they even know
> what a template is, then using and customizing the right one might take
> longer.
>
> The delivery mechanism on the other hand is what I think is very useful for
> new users. There is an enormous amount of benefit if that could be
> customized for new users pre-loaded with some generic help templates they
> can actually use to edit, rather than spam love.
>
> Theo
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