[Foundation-l] mirroring a portion of the wikipedia

Thu Feb 19 19:24:05 UTC 2009

I hope you realize that doesn't make any sense. If the WMF didn't
exist, how could it host anything at all?

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2009/2/19 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>:
> Hoi,
> The French Wikipedia may pre-date the WMF but the hosting of the French
> Wikipedia has always been done by the WMF. So your argument is a bit flaky.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
> 2009/2/19 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
>
>> The French Wikipedia wasn't created by the Foundation.
>>
>> skype: node.ue
>>
>>
>>
>> 2009/2/18 basedrop <basedrop at gmail.com>:
>> > Hello Thomas and thanks for your response.
>> >
>> > I would point out that the foundation created a French version,  hosted
>> it
>> > on French servers, in the French language because they saw the benefit of
>> > delivering something to a specific constituency.
>> >
>> > I don't have a particular need to have the art history portion of the
>> wiki
>> > editable for my users at my domain.  I have the specialized users at my
>> > site,  I'd like to take advantage of that aggregation of specialized
>> users
>> > to the benefit of the wiki.    If you guys don't have an API for me,  I'm
>> > o.k. with that.
>> >
>> > Web content is becoming more integrated across multiple platforms and
>> > domains.   People can post to Facebook from twitter.  People can check
>> Gmail
>> > from POP3 clients.  People can post to a blog, and the data will
>> instantly
>> > replicate over multiple blogs around the world.  I can pull data from
>> > multiple sources and aggregate it with an rss feed reader.   This is the
>> > direction content and the web is heading.
>> >
>> > Bring the users to one domain, and keep the content within that domain
>> can
>> > be called the "walled garden" approach.  It is not a bad one, when you
>> have
>> > a need to control the users (e.g. facebook,) and the content.   In the
>> case
>> > of the wiki,  I'd suggest a more democratic approach of bringing the wiki
>> to
>> > the people.   You already do that with a push version of the wiki,  I'm
>> just
>> > suggesting you take it one step further and make it editable.   Imagine
>> > sections of the wiki,  right where the experts are aggregated.
>> Space.com
>> > hosting a concurrent version of the astronomy section.   Technology at
>> > slashdot.org.   Law at nolo.com... you get the drift.
>> >
>> > You guys consider this.  In the mean time I'll build up my site and my
>> user
>> > base.   If there is a way to integrate in the future,  I'll do that.  I'm
>> > going to shoot for using openID, so this is just another reason for you
>> guys
>> > to consider the use of openID as well.
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
>> > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Thomas
>> Dalton
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:57 PM
>> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] mirroring a portion of the wikipedia
>> >
>> > 2009/2/18 basedrop <basedrop at gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >> Hello,
>> >> I'm not sure if this is the place to pose this question,  if not could
>> you
>> >> respond with the proper place.
>> >>
>> >>  I'm building out a social networking site centered around an "art" and
>> >> "arthistory" theme.  I would like to display a real time dynamic version
>> > of
>> >> the arthistory section of the wikipedia at my domain.
>> >
>> > Possible, but unlikely to happen, I'm afraid. There is little to be
>> > gained for us compared to you just sending people to the main site.
>> >
>> >>I would like for my
>> >> users to be able to edit this section at my domain.
>> >
>> > I don't think that's possible - at best all the edits would be from a
>> > single account, and we don't really like group accounts.
>> >
>> >>   My domain is
>> >> arthistory.com.   I am hoping to be able to provide a lot of acedemic
>> and
>> >> specialty users to this section via my site.   I think we could both
>> > benefit
>> >> from this relationship.  My users have direct access to the arthistory
>> >> section of wikipedia,  the wikipedia gets access to my users who are
>> > experts
>> >> in the field.
>> >
>> > We would very much like to encourage your users to edit Wikipedia, but
>> > it really would be much easier for us if they just came to our site.
>> > Is there some reason why they particularly need to be doing it from
>> > your site?
>> >
>> >>    I understand you can get a feed of the wikipedia, and also
>> >> a database dump,  but I'm looking for a more real time and dynamic
>> >> connection  (without just putting the wikipedia in an iframe.)
>> >
>> > I don't know of anything like that being done before. If it's just one
>> > section of the site you could probably mirror it pretty well by
>> > crawling it once a day or so - we don't like people crawling the whole
>> > site, but one section shouldn't be a problem. If you want it
>> > completely up-to-date then you need to access the Wikipedia servers
>> > for each request, so you might as well just be on wikipedia.org
>> >
>> >>   I'd also
>> >> prefer if I could use openID or some way of repurposing my user's
>> >> registration to duel register with my site and with wikipedia, and
>> create
>> > a
>> >> login session for both simultaneously.
>> >
>> > I'm sorry, we don't use openID on Wikipedia. It has been suggested,
>> > and it's possible we will in the future, but we don't right now.
>> >
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