[Foundation-l] clarifications about Kaltura licensing and commitment to open source
Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijssen at gmail.com
Fri Jan 18 00:07:42 UTC 2008
Hoi,
Thanks for the clarification. Apparently people love their drama. Anyways,
thank you for all the effort. I am sure it will help bringing information to
people. In the end this is what the Wikimedia Foundation is about.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Jan 18, 2008 12:55 AM, Shay David <shay.david at kaltura.com> wrote:
>
> hi everybody
>
> thanks for the discussion below. I wanted to make a few short
> clarifications.
>
>
> first, thanks for the friendly reminder about the lack of proper citations
> on
> our demo wiki. it was an oversight, that has now been corrected.
>
> kaltura always was and remains fully committed to open source and open
> standards, and one of its main goals in this partnership is to enable
> Wikipedia
> and other wiki's around the world with an essential tool for multimedia
> collaboration that has been lacking.
>
> doing so, however, is complicated and requires scafolding as the new body
> of
> code is built. as pointed out below, we are in the process of building a
> GNASH
> based solution that will replace Adobe's closed source flash.
> Unfortunately,
> GNASH is not ready for prime-time yet, but we hope it will be soon. We
> encourage
> developers to help us convert our GPL'ed ActionScript code so that it can
> run on
> GNASH. In fact, one of the main points of this beta program is to get
> support
> for this exact matter.
>
> we welcome any additional feedback and constructive criticism on
> http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Feedback_Page
>
> kind regards,
>
> Shay David
> CTO, Kaltura Inc.
> e: shay.david at kaltura.com
> w: http://www.kaltura.com
>
>
> ---------
>
>
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:28:19 +0100
> From: "Michael Bimmler" <mbimmler at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with
> Kaltuna and loss of freedom
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
> <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID:
> <353e9f360801171328m8303549jf2c14abed247e360 at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Horse Cakes <horsecakes at googlemail.com>
> Date: Jan 17, 2008 10:27 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with Kaltuna and loss
> of freedom
> To: foundation-l-owner at lists.wikimedia.org,
> foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I'm wondering why the Wikimedia Foundation, the foundation hosting the
> "free encyclopedia", sees it acceptable to support Adobe's
> close-source proprietary Flash technology? Surely the Wikimedia
> foundation should be directly in opposition to any attempts to make
> their software less free? Does the proposed site even support
> ?
>
> It's also worth adding that currently Kaltuna's website is breaking
> the GFDL due to lack of licensing information or references to the
> original authors - see http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/ . Why is the
> Wikimedia Foundation actively supporting a company that obvious cares
> little about its goals? Do you guys just support anyone who is willing
> to throw some money your way without even looking at what they're
> offering to ensure they aren't breaking the fundamental principles of
> the foundation?
>
> I'm absolutely disgusted, and believe this is a new low for the
> Wikimedia Foundation.
>
> Mr. Cakes.
>
> P.S. Why do you make it as hard as possible to comment on these
> matters? Set up a Wiki rather than having to spend forever joining a
> mailing list to make comments.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:30:17 +0100
> From: "Michael Bimmler" <mbimmler at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with
> Kaltuna and loss of freedom
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
> <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID:
> <353e9f360801171330pd7e9b1j96acd616b621dc4f at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> I would like to add that I consider this message borderline...but I
> forwarded it anyway.
>
> Michael
>
> On Jan 17, 2008 10:28 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Horse Cakes <horsecakes at googlemail.com>
> > Date: Jan 17, 2008 10:27 PM
> > Subject: Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with Kaltuna and loss
> > of freedom
> > To: foundation-l-owner at lists.wikimedia.org,
> foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> > I'm wondering why the Wikimedia Foundation, the foundation hosting the
> > "free encyclopedia", sees it acceptable to support Adobe's
> > close-source proprietary Flash technology? Surely the Wikimedia
> > foundation should be directly in opposition to any attempts to make
> > their software less free? Does the proposed site even support Gnash?
> >
> > It's also worth adding that currently Kaltuna's website is breaking
> > the GFDL due to lack of licensing information or references to the
> > original authors - see http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/ . Why is the
> > Wikimedia Foundation actively supporting a company that obvious cares
> > little about its goals? Do you guys just support anyone who is willing
> > to throw some money your way without even looking at what they're
> > offering to ensure they aren't breaking the fundamental principles of
> > the foundation?
> >
> > I'm absolutely disgusted, and believe this is a new low for the
> > Wikimedia Foundation.
> >
> > Mr. Cakes.
> >
> > P.S. Why do you make it as hard as possible to comment on these
> > matters? Set up a Wiki rather than having to spend forever joining a
> > mailing list to make comments.
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:33:55 +0000
> From: "David Gerard" <dgerard at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation's partnership
> with Kaltuna and loss of freedom
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
> <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID:
> <fbad4e140801171333h4fe50848vae3f6cc3b8a2ec6e at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> From: Horse Cakes <horsecakes at googlemail.com>
>
> > I'm wondering why the Wikimedia Foundation, the foundation hosting the
> > "free encyclopedia", sees it acceptable to support Adobe's
> > close-source proprietary Flash technology? Surely the Wikimedia
> > foundation should be directly in opposition to any attempts to make
> > their software less free? Does the proposed site even support Gnash?
>
>
> For those wondering, Kaltura is working with the Gnash developers
> directly to make their stuff work under Gnash. (Though it may take a
> while.)
>
>
> - d.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:36:44 -0800
> From: Durova <nadezhda.durova at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Foundation-l] countering systemic bias through copyright
> translation
> To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Message-ID:
> <a01006d90801171336t1f0eab64q5f1a9da4b5a48a18 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Commons:License information has significant gaps in copyright overviews
> for
> developing countries. This presents real problems for Wikimedians who
> wish
> to upload historic public domain images.
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing#License_information
>
> The other day I located two panoramas: Havana harbor and the Panama Canal
> being built. Both are public domain under United States law where the
> images were published, but Commons rules require that they also be
> verified
> public domain in the country where they were photographed. Neither Cuba
> or
> Panama is listed on the license information page, so I've attempted a
> translation of the relevant law. My Spanish is not strong, nor am I
> qualified to give legal opinions, so if you can help please verify my
> tentative translations posted here:
>
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Requested_Translations#Spanish_to_English
>
> This raises another issue: which country's copyright laws prevail for the
> former Canal Zone? United States or Panama? Commons currently hosts some
> images of the canal's construction and the ones I checked are marked only
> as
> PD-US, which may or may not be adequate. And more generally, whose laws
> apply when national jurisdiction changes? I found some other historic
> photographs from Africa, but didn't upload them because of these
> unanswered
> questions.
>
> Is there any coordinated effort to fill in the gaps at the Commons:License
> information page? If not, there should be.
>
> -Durova
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:38:28 -0800
> From: "George Herbert" <george.herbert at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with
> Kaltuna and loss of freedom
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
> <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID:
> <38a7bf7c0801171338u4addeb07i64d6518a13cbd53d at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Jan 17, 2008 1:30 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would like to add that I consider this message borderline...but I
> > forwarded it anyway.
> >
> > Michael
>
> Horsecakes is repeatedly vandalizing the Kaltuna wiki. While I
> support open freedom of opinion, I don't know that his behavior there
> bodes well for continuing constructive contributions here.
>
>
> --
> -george william herbert
> george.herbert at gmail.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:56:31 +0100
> From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with
> Kaltuna and loss of freedom
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
> <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID:
> <41a006820801171356v5d4e660lb388f5cf6f6ec856 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hoi,
> Vandalising elsewhere and being an upstanding citizen within the Wikimedia
> Foundation do not go together. When the allegation is true that he did
> vandalise Kaltuna, I have no interest nor respect for his opinion.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On Jan 17, 2008 10:38 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 17, 2008 1:30 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I would like to add that I consider this message borderline...but I
> > > forwarded it anyway.
> > >
> > > Michael
> >
> > Horsecakes is repeatedly vandalizing the Kaltuna wiki. While I
> > support open freedom of opinion, I don't know that his behavior there
> > bodes well for continuing constructive contributions here.
> >
> >
> > --
> > -george william herbert
> > george.herbert at gmail.com
> >
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:02:16 -0500
> From: "Andrew Whitworth" <wknight8111 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with
> Kaltuna and loss of freedom
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
> <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID:
> <3b66f84e0801171402i1fd57d47y58eee7f44e6a7a23 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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> On Jan 17, 2008 4:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > Vandalising elsewhere and being an upstanding citizen within the
> Wikimedia
> > Foundation do not go together. When the allegation is true that he did
> > vandalise Kaltuna, I have no interest nor respect for his opinion.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
>
> The two are completely unrelated. So long as he behaves himself around
> here, It doesnt matter what he does elsewhere.
>
> --Andrew Whitworth
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:08:56 -0500
> From: Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with
> Kaltuna and loss of freedom
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
> <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID:
> <7e948df10801171408s1b7b63r7fd9a56a72b6ab42 at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Sure it matters. If you're a vandal and a troll in one place, why
> should we assume his behavior would be any better anywhere else? Its
> the purpose of a reputation - to allow others to assign the proper
> weight to your opinion. It isn't a permanent black mark, but it lasts
> awhile like any.
>
> On Jan 17, 2008 5:02 PM, Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 17, 2008 4:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Hoi,
> > > Vandalising elsewhere and being an upstanding citizen within the
> Wikimedia
> > > Foundation do not go together. When the allegation is true that he
> did
> > > vandalise Kaltuna, I have no interest nor respect for his opinion.
> > > Thanks,
> > > GerardM
> >
> > The two are completely unrelated. So long as he behaves himself around
> > here, It doesnt matter what he does elsewhere.
> >
> > --Andrew Whitworth
> >
> >
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