[Foundation-l] clarifications about Kaltura licensing and commitment to open source
Shay David
shay.david at kaltura.com
Thu Jan 17 23:55:12 UTC 2008
hi everybody
thanks for the discussion below. I wanted to make a few short clarifications.
first, thanks for the friendly reminder about the lack of proper citations on
our demo wiki. it was an oversight, that has now been corrected.
kaltura always was and remains fully committed to open source and open
standards, and one of its main goals in this partnership is to enable Wikipedia
and other wiki's around the world with an essential tool for multimedia
collaboration that has been lacking.
doing so, however, is complicated and requires scafolding as the new body of
code is built. as pointed out below, we are in the process of building a GNASH
based solution that will replace Adobe's closed source flash. Unfortunately,
GNASH is not ready for prime-time yet, but we hope it will be soon. We encourage
developers to help us convert our GPL'ed ActionScript code so that it can run on
GNASH. In fact, one of the main points of this beta program is to get support
for this exact matter.
we welcome any additional feedback and constructive criticism on
http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Feedback_Page
kind regards,
Shay David
CTO, Kaltura Inc.
e: shay.david at kaltura.com
w: http://www.kaltura.com
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:28:19 +0100
From: "Michael Bimmler" <mbimmler at gmail.com>
Subject: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with
Kaltuna and loss of freedom
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Horse Cakes <horsecakes at googlemail.com>
Date: Jan 17, 2008 10:27 PM
Subject: Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with Kaltuna and loss
of freedom
To: foundation-l-owner at lists.wikimedia.org, foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
Hi,
I'm wondering why the Wikimedia Foundation, the foundation hosting the
"free encyclopedia", sees it acceptable to support Adobe's
close-source proprietary Flash technology? Surely the Wikimedia
foundation should be directly in opposition to any attempts to make
their software less free? Does the proposed site even support
?
It's also worth adding that currently Kaltuna's website is breaking
the GFDL due to lack of licensing information or references to the
original authors - see http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/ . Why is the
Wikimedia Foundation actively supporting a company that obvious cares
little about its goals? Do you guys just support anyone who is willing
to throw some money your way without even looking at what they're
offering to ensure they aren't breaking the fundamental principles of
the foundation?
I'm absolutely disgusted, and believe this is a new low for the
Wikimedia Foundation.
Mr. Cakes.
P.S. Why do you make it as hard as possible to comment on these
matters? Set up a Wiki rather than having to spend forever joining a
mailing list to make comments.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:30:17 +0100
From: "Michael Bimmler" <mbimmler at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with
Kaltuna and loss of freedom
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
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I would like to add that I consider this message borderline...but I
forwarded it anyway.
Michael
On Jan 17, 2008 10:28 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Horse Cakes <horsecakes at googlemail.com>
> Date: Jan 17, 2008 10:27 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with Kaltuna and loss
> of freedom
> To: foundation-l-owner at lists.wikimedia.org, foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I'm wondering why the Wikimedia Foundation, the foundation hosting the
> "free encyclopedia", sees it acceptable to support Adobe's
> close-source proprietary Flash technology? Surely the Wikimedia
> foundation should be directly in opposition to any attempts to make
> their software less free? Does the proposed site even support Gnash?
>
> It's also worth adding that currently Kaltuna's website is breaking
> the GFDL due to lack of licensing information or references to the
> original authors - see http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/ . Why is the
> Wikimedia Foundation actively supporting a company that obvious cares
> little about its goals? Do you guys just support anyone who is willing
> to throw some money your way without even looking at what they're
> offering to ensure they aren't breaking the fundamental principles of
> the foundation?
>
> I'm absolutely disgusted, and believe this is a new low for the
> Wikimedia Foundation.
>
> Mr. Cakes.
>
> P.S. Why do you make it as hard as possible to comment on these
> matters? Set up a Wiki rather than having to spend forever joining a
> mailing list to make comments.
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:33:55 +0000
From: "David Gerard" <dgerard at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Foundation's partnership
with Kaltuna and loss of freedom
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
<foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
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From: Horse Cakes <horsecakes at googlemail.com>
> I'm wondering why the Wikimedia Foundation, the foundation hosting the
> "free encyclopedia", sees it acceptable to support Adobe's
> close-source proprietary Flash technology? Surely the Wikimedia
> foundation should be directly in opposition to any attempts to make
> their software less free? Does the proposed site even support Gnash?
For those wondering, Kaltura is working with the Gnash developers
directly to make their stuff work under Gnash. (Though it may take a
while.)
- d.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:36:44 -0800
From: Durova <nadezhda.durova at gmail.com>
Subject: [Foundation-l] countering systemic bias through copyright
translation
To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
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Commons:License information has significant gaps in copyright overviews for
developing countries. This presents real problems for Wikimedians who wish
to upload historic public domain images.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing#License_information
The other day I located two panoramas: Havana harbor and the Panama Canal
being built. Both are public domain under United States law where the
images were published, but Commons rules require that they also be verified
public domain in the country where they were photographed. Neither Cuba or
Panama is listed on the license information page, so I've attempted a
translation of the relevant law. My Spanish is not strong, nor am I
qualified to give legal opinions, so if you can help please verify my
tentative translations posted here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Requested_Translations#Spanish_to_English
This raises another issue: which country's copyright laws prevail for the
former Canal Zone? United States or Panama? Commons currently hosts some
images of the canal's construction and the ones I checked are marked only as
PD-US, which may or may not be adequate. And more generally, whose laws
apply when national jurisdiction changes? I found some other historic
photographs from Africa, but didn't upload them because of these unanswered
questions.
Is there any coordinated effort to fill in the gaps at the Commons:License
information page? If not, there should be.
-Durova
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:38:28 -0800
From: "George Herbert" <george.herbert at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with
Kaltuna and loss of freedom
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On Jan 17, 2008 1:30 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like to add that I consider this message borderline...but I
> forwarded it anyway.
>
> Michael
Horsecakes is repeatedly vandalizing the Kaltuna wiki. While I
support open freedom of opinion, I don't know that his behavior there
bodes well for continuing constructive contributions here.
--
-george william herbert
george.herbert at gmail.com
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:56:31 +0100
From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with
Kaltuna and loss of freedom
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Hoi,
Vandalising elsewhere and being an upstanding citizen within the Wikimedia
Foundation do not go together. When the allegation is true that he did
vandalise Kaltuna, I have no interest nor respect for his opinion.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Jan 17, 2008 10:38 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 17, 2008 1:30 PM, Michael Bimmler <mbimmler at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would like to add that I consider this message borderline...but I
> > forwarded it anyway.
> >
> > Michael
>
> Horsecakes is repeatedly vandalizing the Kaltuna wiki. While I
> support open freedom of opinion, I don't know that his behavior there
> bodes well for continuing constructive contributions here.
>
>
> --
> -george william herbert
> george.herbert at gmail.com
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:02:16 -0500
From: "Andrew Whitworth" <wknight8111 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with
Kaltuna and loss of freedom
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
<foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
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On Jan 17, 2008 4:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
> Vandalising elsewhere and being an upstanding citizen within the Wikimedia
> Foundation do not go together. When the allegation is true that he did
> vandalise Kaltuna, I have no interest nor respect for his opinion.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
The two are completely unrelated. So long as he behaves himself around
here, It doesnt matter what he does elsewhere.
--Andrew Whitworth
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:08:56 -0500
From: Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation's partnership with
Kaltuna and loss of freedom
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Sure it matters. If you're a vandal and a troll in one place, why
should we assume his behavior would be any better anywhere else? Its
the purpose of a reputation - to allow others to assign the proper
weight to your opinion. It isn't a permanent black mark, but it lasts
awhile like any.
On Jan 17, 2008 5:02 PM, Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 17, 2008 4:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > Vandalising elsewhere and being an upstanding citizen within the Wikimedia
> > Foundation do not go together. When the allegation is true that he did
> > vandalise Kaltuna, I have no interest nor respect for his opinion.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
>
> The two are completely unrelated. So long as he behaves himself around
> here, It doesnt matter what he does elsewhere.
>
> --Andrew Whitworth
>
>
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