[Foundation-l] Localisation of MediaWiki

[Aphaia]

On Jan 17, 2008 4:52 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
> The reason why we insist on full localisation for subsequent projects is
> that it is the only way in which we can force the localisation to be good
> enough at one time.

Who are this "we"? Stichting Open Progress?
I bluntly say: you seem to be in conflict of interest and combine
Langcom whose primary mission is to determine a certain requested
project is ready to be launched with another concern it is not
necessarily required. Whether it brings good or not, as I pointed out,
it is not relevant and unhealthy.

> When we give the final approval and the requirement is
> only met at that time and there is no continuous localisation it is just
> good enough and because of the continuous development it will not take that
> long and it will be not that great anymore. I agree with you that there
> should be a continuous community effort and when this is the case, the
> requirement for full localisation at the time of the assessment of final
> approval is not a problem at all.
>
> So in answer to your question, the reason why we insist on it is because the
> localisation for many languages needs serious improvement. We do this
> because it forces the issue on the agenda of the respective language
> communities. We do this because the need for proper localisation is there.
> We do this because we feel it is appropriate because it is a major
> contributing factor in attracting a reading and editing public for MediaWiki
> and for MediaWiki projects.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2008 2:39 PM, Cormac Lawler <cormaggio at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 15, 2008 11:24 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > Localisation is best done centrally. Localisation of a project locally
> > > should only be done on those messages that are distinctly different from
> > > what is valid for other projects. These are messages that have to do
> > with
> > > local policies.
> > >
> > > When you are of the opinion that the requirements for first projects and
> > > subsequent projects should be the same, you are arguing for a
> > substantial
> > > increase to the entry level for a project because from my point of view
> > we
> > > would demand full localisation of both MediaWiki messages and extensions
> > > of
> > > the WMF. This is in my opinion not reasonable. I agree with you that
> > > localisation should be a continuous process. It is for this reason that
> > > only
> > > for subsequent projects full localisation is required.
> >
> >
> >
> > When I asked that first and subsequent projects be treated the same (with
> > respect to localisation), I meant that projects would be allowed to begin
> > with *the same* localisation requirements as has been done in the past
> > (particularly, as Aphaia points out, projects without full localisation
> > seem
> > to work). Or perhaps this should be 'more or less the same' requirements -
> > there might be some new messages that would be good for new projects to
> > have. I say this because it does not seem reasonable to ask new projects
> > to
> > fully localise all MediaWiki messages on top of their other work in
> > getting
> > a project started. Proposing a new project can be a confusing enough
> > process, requiring people to navigate multiple wikis and jump through
> > various hoops - this only adds to that confusion and stress. What I
> > propose,
> > therefore, is that localisation become a continuous project undertaken by
> > pan-project language communities or 'taskforces'. This seems to be what
> > you
> > are saying when you say localisation should be done centrally (ie on
> > BetaWiki) - so why place the extra burden on new projects?
> >
> > Cormac
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