[Foundation-l] Fwd: wikipedia: "wikiasaria" the p2p way, here: participation of the foundation in the new wiki project (cspace and yacy based)

[James Hare]

Wikiasari will be a service of Wikia, not the Wikimedia Foundation.

On 12/25/06, "Thomas Müller" <thomasasta at gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Brad Patrick, Mailinglist
> and local wikimedia/foundation responsibles.
>
> Jim wants to create a search engine for the wiki community as strong as
> google. To fight central authorized search engines like google and to
> support the community help of searches in the internet
>
> As it is good to have a wiki-relation, I sent the attached idea as well to
> you.
>
> I read, that wiki.com is financially independent from the wikifoundation.
> And that the new search-engine wikisari or wikiAsariA, dunno, is with the
> purpose of earning money with ads in cooperation of amazon.
>
> http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=wikisari&meta=
> (yesterday google had only 5 results, today 238)
> http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=wikisaria&meta=
> (today 307 results)
>
> Ok, maybe a parallel model or integrated model with the wiki-enterprise is
> possible in collaboration woith wikimedia foundation.
>
>
> The idea is, to use the p2p indexing search engine yacy (see link below).
> (speek blacky like jacky Onasis)
>
> Wiki and Amazon create some big servers and get a central webadress. Users
> can search the database (as a p2p node) from that central website and get
> advertisements. This central website is in cooperation with amazon and as
> well the amazon website gets a search box.
>
>
> Then.. as yacy search engine is a p2p engine, we need a lot of nodes,
> running yacy.
> To be strong as google we need at elast 20.000 peers running yacy. If
> there is less bandwith dedicated, we need maybe 50.000 users every minute
> online.
>
> The idea is now (already posted with a draft in the yacy forum) to combine
> yacy with an instant messenger, users always run, Yacy could be stick to the
> messenger as a deamon and doing the indexing job of websites.
>
> The bandwith for that could be adjusted with a slider in the Instant
> Messenger friendslist.
>
> As the friendslist CSpace could be used.  http://cspace.in
>
> CSpace is an open Source and SERVERLESS Buddylist (so no icq aol msn yahoo
> or google talk, which are all serverbased). Cspace is fully decentral using
> a dht kademlia lookup for the buddies online in a p2p style.
>
> If you stick both together, yacy and cspace, then users run it all the
> time and yacy could index and the buddylist coud offer as well a search box
> to run searches decentral on every computer direct accessing the p2p yacy
> network.
>
> Many users will use the buddylist cspace then from wikipedia and support
> this way the backgroud daemon yacy indexing websites.
>
> As well users then can acess the search engine using the wikiasaria
> homepage of amazon and wiki.com in a browser.
>
> Furthermore we can make of the new application (yacy + cspace) an toolabr
> for firefox, thunderbird and songbirdnest.com
>
> then we have the buddylist integrated and teh yacy background is doing
> website indexing in all the buddies an performing a big p2p net.
>
>
>
> Wikiasarias Idea is to add manual page ranking to the website index. This
> is already coded in yacy and a browser toolbar exists as well.
>
>
> We just need to distribute yay as a daemon of a budylist / Cspace and
> bring it into the community or into the branding of Wikimedia.
>
> Yacy is written in java, CSpace in Python, but a common gui or a
> XUL-Toolbar for firefox should be no problem.
>
> As both code branches exist, we have less money to take to get both
> together and bring the p2p net for buddies and website indexing out.
>
> If anyone needs futher ideas, write a feedback.
>
> Thanks for considering a plan, how to decentralize the search engines and
> websiteindex, in the wikimedia foundation baord,
>
> As I see, more then 300.000 Dollars are already donated, maybe a coding
> team can bring both applications into one gui and wiki can distribute it, if
> wiki.com or wikiasaria then supports this with a central wesite search (as
> a big serverfarm-node of the p2p network yacy) this would be a perfect
> cooperation.
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> tom
>
> PS1: Maybe you know the german-french search engine QUAERO project, which
> goal was to fight the majority of google.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaero
> This project is broken and not done. So the need to have a community build
> search engine still exists.
>
> PS2: Besides now: Please forward this mail to the techical administrator
> lists of wikipedia, then each wiki server can set up a yacy node already
> today and display as well yacy searche ngine results, as well the node can
> index the wikimedia site of the individual country and get the external
> links as well, as they are already the manual edited best links for each
> wiki-article. Would be perfect, to see in each wikipedia the yacy saerch
> window as well to have an external search option as well. maybe the donated
> money could be used to have some big yacy servers as well.
>
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Mon, 25 Dec 2006 19:39:14 +0100
> Von: "Thomas Müller" <thomasasta at gmx.net>
> An: jwales at wikia.com
> Betreff: wikipedia: wikiasaria the p2p way
>
> Hello Jimmy,
>
> I want to suggest to do the wikiasaria the p2p way.
>
> There is alreay an open source software to have a p2p search engine to
> fight google.
>
> http://www.yacy.net/yacy/Demo.html
>
> You with the wikipedia background and amazon can support the open source
> java development.
>
> Then you can built a big server to acess this p2p net over a central
> homepage and place here the advertisements you need to earn money and found
> it (and all servers supporting this).
>
>
> YACY (speek Jacky like Blacky) is open source and could be customized to
> have an url rating from the users while they run an indexin node or aces
> your central webserver to search the index or make a toolbar (which already
> exists) to rate that page in the browser.
>
> Already many nodes of yacy start with the wikipedia urls and links
> indexing.
>
> To get the p2p indexing nodes popular, I suggested to have the indexing
> yacy node as an background deamon in an instant messenger, This could be
> Cspace, as it is serverless and open too. but it is python written, not
> java.
>
> Http://cspace.in
>
> If you need more proposal, how to code, I can send a draft of how they can
> interact.
>
>
> kind regards and if you like, sent feedback.
> Tom
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