[Foundation-l] complaining to ISPs

[James Hare]

Yes... stating on a page "VERIZON IS BANNED!" for example would definitely
make them scared and start taking actions against jerks.

Developers, are you listening? Jeff's got it right!


On 8/4/06, Jeff V. Merkey <jmerkey at wolfmountaingroup.com> wrote:
>
> James Hare wrote:
>
> >Jeff Merkey -- defender of American Indians, defeater of Asian ISPs.
> >
> >Wikipedia could technically set up such an extreme system, but it would
> >cause too many people to be blocked at once, and thus less people can
> edit
> >(Jimmy-Jimmy seems to like allowing everyone to edit). Also, such high
> >levels of blocking could give us a bad name.
> >
> >But I'd implement it.
> >
> >
>
> Well, the only way to get an ISPs attention is to it them in their
> pocketbooks. If their users cannot use
> the site and are "BANNED" on a public list -- you can very well bet they
> will jump to start swatting
> these gadfly vandals and pretty quick.
>
> Jeff
>
> >
> >On 8/4/06, Jeff V. Merkey <jmerkey at wolfmountaingroup.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>James Hare wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Oooh! War of attrition!
> >>>
> >>>James approves.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I had to do the same thing to chinanet and several other asian ISPs as
> >>well -- they remain blocked -- permanently.
> >>
> >>Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On 8/4/06, Jeffrey V. Merkey <jmerkey at wolfmountaingroup.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>geni wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>On 8/4/06, Nathan Carter <cartmanau at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Is there already a section within the foundation which can deal with
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>this?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>If not is some form of "abuse reporting" procedure needed?
> >>>>>>I think the best way to do it is for the foundation itself to do the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>dirty
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>work so to speak, which should avoid any privacy issues.
> >>>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>>>Nathan Carter (Cartman02au)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>While that may be an option in the short term in the long run this is
> >>>>>likely to become more common and thus it is probably best that there
> >>>>>to be a way to deal with this below foundation level.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Most of the ISP's ignore these reports, including DCMA takedown
> notices
> >>>>(they just throw them in the trash). One very effective
> >>>>method that both works and gets their attention I have used at
> >>>>WikiGadugi dissuades 100% of vandals, gets the ISP's attention, and
> >>>>gets the problem fixed immediately. It is as follows:
> >>>>
> >>>>1. When I first setup WikiGadugi, I had the distinct pleasure of being
> >>>>visited by WillyonWheels from the UK.
> >>>>2. I tried the whole page move vandal, blocking, blah blah blah, it
> only
> >>>>made him more persistent.
> >>>>3. I wrote a shim program into IP tables as a MediaWiki addon that
> does
> >>>>WHOIS lookup everytime
> >>>>the IP address gets used to write a page and saves not only the IP
> >>>>address for the write, but the ISP range as well.
> >>>>4. The shim checks a file not visible where I record IP addresses for
> >>>>vandal addresses and autoblocks the entire ISP IP range AT THE
> FIREWALL
> >>>>blocking both reading and writing, shutting down all access for that
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>ISP.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>I had someone from the UK email me (my email servers are on a separate
> >>>>network) from this ISP range. It was
> >>>>blueyonder.uk and apparently, other universities were studying the
> >>>>Cherokee translation and wondered why the site was down. It was not
> long
> >>>>before the ISP notified me a certain account was "suspended".
> >>>>
> >>>>I would suggest creating a banned ISP listing with ranges based on
> >>>>persistent vandals, and when they suspend the accounts, you will
> unblock
> >>>>them
> >>>>at the firewall. It fixed my vandalism problems. I have 0% vandalism
> at
> >>>>the WikiGadugi site and I stuck it to WillyOnWheels.
> >>>>
> >>>>Jeff
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