[Foundation-l] complaining to ISPs

[Jeff V. Merkey]

James Hare wrote:

>Jeff Merkey -- defender of American Indians, defeater of Asian ISPs.
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>Wikipedia could technically set up such an extreme system, but it would
>cause too many people to be blocked at once, and thus less people can edit
>(Jimmy-Jimmy seems to like allowing everyone to edit). Also, such high
>levels of blocking could give us a bad name.
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>But I'd implement it.
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Well, the only way to get an ISPs attention is to it them in their 
pocketbooks. If their users cannot use
the site and are "BANNED" on a public list -- you can very well bet they 
will jump to start swatting
these gadfly vandals and pretty quick.

Jeff

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>On 8/4/06, Jeff V. Merkey <jmerkey at wolfmountaingroup.com> wrote:
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>>James Hare wrote:
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>>>Oooh! War of attrition!
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>>>James approves.
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>>I had to do the same thing to chinanet and several other asian ISPs as
>>well -- they remain blocked -- permanently.
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>>Jeff
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>>>On 8/4/06, Jeffrey V. Merkey <jmerkey at wolfmountaingroup.com> wrote:
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>>>>geni wrote:
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>>>>>On 8/4/06, Nathan Carter <cartmanau at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>>Is there already a section within the foundation which can deal with
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>>>>this?
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>>>>>>If not is some form of "abuse reporting" procedure needed?
>>>>>>I think the best way to do it is for the foundation itself to do the
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>>>>dirty
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>>>>>>work so to speak, which should avoid any privacy issues.
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>Nathan Carter (Cartman02au)
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>>>>>While that may be an option in the short term in the long run this is
>>>>>likely to become more common and thus it is probably best that there
>>>>>to be a way to deal with this below foundation level.
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>>>>Most of the ISP's ignore these reports, including DCMA takedown notices
>>>>(they just throw them in the trash). One very effective
>>>>method that both works and gets their attention I have used at
>>>>WikiGadugi dissuades 100% of vandals, gets the ISP's attention, and
>>>>gets the problem fixed immediately. It is as follows:
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>>>>1. When I first setup WikiGadugi, I had the distinct pleasure of being
>>>>visited by WillyonWheels from the UK.
>>>>2. I tried the whole page move vandal, blocking, blah blah blah, it only
>>>>made him more persistent.
>>>>3. I wrote a shim program into IP tables as a MediaWiki addon that does
>>>>WHOIS lookup everytime
>>>>the IP address gets used to write a page and saves not only the IP
>>>>address for the write, but the ISP range as well.
>>>>4. The shim checks a file not visible where I record IP addresses for
>>>>vandal addresses and autoblocks the entire ISP IP range AT THE FIREWALL
>>>>blocking both reading and writing, shutting down all access for that
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>>ISP.
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>>>>I had someone from the UK email me (my email servers are on a separate
>>>>network) from this ISP range. It was
>>>>blueyonder.uk and apparently, other universities were studying the
>>>>Cherokee translation and wondered why the site was down. It was not long
>>>>before the ISP notified me a certain account was "suspended".
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>>>>I would suggest creating a banned ISP listing with ranges based on
>>>>persistent vandals, and when they suspend the accounts, you will unblock
>>>>them
>>>>at the firewall. It fixed my vandalism problems. I have 0% vandalism at
>>>>the WikiGadugi site and I stuck it to WillyOnWheels.
>>>>
>>>>Jeff
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