[Foundation-l] Interwiki Cooperation; NSK

Wed Oct 27 01:26:59 UTC 2004

NSK --

1. You've just written a 694 word-strong reply. You have not however 
answered the question whether you edit the Wikipedia and whether or not 
you have an account. You wrote:
>> I don't really have enough time to edit much on Wikipedia.
Ok, so DO you or DON'T you edit? DO you or DON'T you have an account?

2. Now correct me if I'm wrong:
You're not actually contributing to the Wikipedia.
You've not submitted any code towards MediaWiki development.
You have however downloaded the MediaWiki software which was developed 
"in this corner of cyberspace" (and you're permitted to do that).
You've then set up your own website(s) with MediaWiki which you've 
talked about, like, A LOT in your posts to our Wikimedia-related lists 
here.
You have BIG PLANS for your website(s) but as of now little has 
materialized. There don't appear to be much other contributors to your 
wikis yet, besides yourself, yet you're kinda seeing your efforts as 
somehow fully equivalent to what has happened "in our corner".
Finally, you've ventured to advise us on what we really are and ought 
to be (and you've persisted even when people made it very clear that 
they perceived your advice as running counter to the very principles 
our projects are founded upon).

3. You suspect that people dislike you and that they do so because they 
somehow don't want you to have your own wikis.
Lemme put it like this:
Imagine some person travelled to the U.S. Now imagine that it turns out 
that that person didn't actually come as an immigrant, and didn't come 
to settle in and become a citizen of the country but rather proceeded 
to lecture the citizens of the U.S. that the Declaration of 
Independence and all these old handwritten papers were fundamentally 
unimportant because all men are not created equal and actually, certain 
people are per se inferior and not to be trusted and it is ok to rape 
and murder them and plunder their houses, whereas others are really not 
to be blamed of anything of any consequence, whatever happens and, 
err... actually...
Ahem.
Forget what I said. This last point I cede to you.

Thanks and regards,
Jens Ropers

There are two types of IT techs: The ones who watch soap operas and the 
ones who watch progress bars.
http://www.ropersonline.com/elmo/#108681741955837683

On 27 Oct 2004, at 02:14, NSK wrote:

> On Tuesday 26 October 2004 22:26, David Gerard wrote:
>> what was your Wikipedia username again?
>
> The reason I have not answered that question is because it was first 
> asked by
> a person who offended me ("as faulty as your logic", 23 October 2004).
> Although I have ignored his e-mail address, thanks to your webarchive 
> it came
> to my attention that he repeats his attacks:
> http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2004-October/031751.html
>
> Please note that I am a bit touchy and any kind of personal attack is 
> not
> compatible with my culture and my education. I have no problem with 
> people
> who disagree with me, but I have zero tolerance for things who engage 
> in
> personal attacks.
>
> That said, I also don't understand why I need to answer this question. 
> Is it
> some kind of policy in Wikipedia to say your user names in emails? I 
> notice
> many people post without mentioning their usernames and I wonder why 
> you
> picked me specifically.
>
>> Do you in fact edit on Wikipedia at all?
>
> Does it matter? I cannot understand why you ask this question. Are your
> mailing lists restricted only to your members? I don't think so, 
> because it
> was very easy for me to register (if that's not the intended 
> behaviour, you
> need to configure your Mailman installation).
>
> You can find me in many mailing lists or fora, including 
> FSF-GNU/GNOME/CC/AMD,
> and I am lurking on many other mailing lists and communities, while I 
> have
> also joined projects such as Drupal.org and OpenFormats.org and very 
> soon I
> will join KDE. Slashdot has published stories written by me (KDE/FSF's
> WIWO...) and my karma there is Good. My university dissertation is on 
> wikis.
> I notice some people refer to me as "he/she" and I wonder whether they 
> have
> noticed who am I.
>
> I was lurking here for some time before I decided to start posting, so 
> I had
> accumulated many possible suggestions and ideas about Wikipedia. Since 
> I
> decided to start posting, I started remembering whatever I had thought 
> about
> all that time, so perhaps some people disliked me because of the 
> initial
> quantity of my postings. Although I have already asked whether anybody 
> wants
> me to stop posting, nobody said something like that, so I understand 
> that I
> should be welcome here - but I still notice that some participants 
> seem to
> dislike me and I cannot understand why.
>
> I don't really have enough time to edit much on Wikipedia. I have my 
> own
> projects and soon/hopefully will have my own nonprofit organisation. 
> So,
> although my community website now is still very new (just opened this 
> August,
> but already serving more than 65 thousand hits per month), it will 
> certainly
> become very known and important in the near future. My interests in the
> Wikipedia community are mostly establishing public relations, helping 
> each
> other to improve our community policies and sharing software 
> development tips
> and practices. I mostly want communication with Wikipedia decision 
> makers,
> the Board and the development team, so that we can find ways to 
> cooperate as
> independent separate projects. So, I think it should be obvious that I
> participate in your mailing lists as a representative of a friendly 
> website
> which seeks to have relations, cooperation and knowledge sharing with
> Wikimedia. But if WMF does not wish to cooperate or thinks I am a
> "competitor", then you can just say so and I will leave.
>
> I suspect that some people may dislike me because I have my own wikis. 
> Please
> try to understand that I am not a "competitor" of Wikipedia. I have 
> written
> interesting articles under the GFDL that you can copy if you like (by
> providing proper attribution under all the terms of GFDL - please 
> include the
> authors' names in the article). See for example this article of 
> NerdyPC.org,
> my knowledge base wiki on computer hardware and the Information 
> Technology
> industry: http://nerdypc.wikinerds.org/index.php/AMD_Opteron - note 
> the most
> recent version under development is at
> http://nerdypc.wikinerds.org/index.php/Test:AMD_Opteron
>
> Finally, I would like to know how we can implement interwiki links to 
> each
> other and whether WMF is interested in this kind of linking.
>
> -- 
> NSK
> Admin of http://portal.wikinerds.org
> Project Manager of http://www.nerdypc.org
> Project Manager of http://www.adapedia.org
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