[Wikimedia-in-en] GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2

Thu Jan 12 15:39:51 UTC 2012

I think that this is a good time for newbie editors to read :

   - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Inline_citation
   - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Inline_citations

before they read the rest of the post.

To Swaroop, Ideally a set of sentences all described in a para may be given
a ref like this:

This is Sentence 1. This is Sentence 2. This is Sentence 3. This is
Sentence 4.<ref>Single reference for all these sentences.</ref>

But we may not prefer to do that in such cases where the text flow may be
jeopardised due to lot of information which may be added. The section "Legacy
and depictions in popular culture"and the following sections are ones where
you can expect lots of editors to add lots of trivia. The original
structure will break and the references will seperate.

So I have seperated the two sentences and converted the reference from a
simple reference to a list-defined reference and added the short reference
form to the second form.

See the diff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&action=historysubmit&diff=470963464&oldid=470948182
.

For those still wondering -

simple reference - <ref>A simple reference</ref>
list-defined reference -<ref name="Refname">A list defined reference</ref>

When re-using a list-defined reference again, just use <ref
name="Refname"/>.

In the Reflist the reference does not repeated but gets superscript
prefixes, a, b, c, etc depending upon how often the list-define reference
is used. Each of the superscipts if pressed goes to the place where it is
usedin the text.

Of course others may choose to combine the sentence into one, which is also
an accepted approach.

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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2012/1/12 Swaroop Rao <raul.swaroop at gmail.com>

> I don't know if this is with the flow of the class, but I want to make a
> note about ref 152<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&oldid=470924101#cite_ref-151>.
> Since the article cited makes note of both the temples, the ref should go
> at the end of the next sentence.
>
>
> Swaroop Rao
> (MikeLynch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch>)
>
>
>
>
> 2012/1/12 Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>
>
>>  For "by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google"
>>
>> Read "by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on *Google Books*
>> "
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Referencing Tip #1 - *Use Google Books to replace unverifiable
>>> references.*
>>>
>>> For a subject like Gandhi, you will often come across references such as
>>> this:
>>>
>>> *^<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&oldid=470829986#cite_ref-5>
>>> * Bhattacharya, Sabyasachi (1997). *The Mahatma and the Poet*. New
>>> Delhi: National Book Trust, India. p. 1.
>>>
>>> (reference 6 on this oldid -
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi&oldid=470829986
>>> )
>>>
>>> The reference was for Rabindranath Tagore being the person who coined
>>> the term "Mahatma" for Gandhi.
>>>
>>> Instead, by searching for "Tagore coined the term Mahatma" on Google, I
>>> got lots of links, a few with preview.
>>>
>>> I immediately find this link:
>>> Indian English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations: Volume 1 -
>>> Page 15<http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAg>
>>>
>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=book-thumbnail&resnum=3&ved=0CEUQ6wEwAg>
>>> books.google.co.inAmar Nath Prasad<http://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEMQ9Ag>,
>>> A.N. Prasad Rajiv K.Malik<http://www.google.co.in/search?num=100&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=33v&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&biw=1280&bih=842&tbm=bks&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:%22Amar+Nath+Prasad%22&q=inauthor:%22A.N.+Prasad+Rajiv+K.Malik%22&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEQQ9Ag>- 2007 - 269 pages - Full
>>> view<http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEYQuwUwAg>
>>> It was *Tagore*, who popularized the *term* "*Mahatma*"- great soul as
>>> a description of Gandhi. *...* His fame rested partly on his charisma-a
>>> world that might have been *invented* for *Tagore* — which was
>>> experienced at first hand in many *...*
>>>
>>> So when I click the link, i reach this page,
>>>
>>>
>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15&dq=Tagore+coined+the+term+Mahatma&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IpQOT9TpEYjUrQetj6XsAQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Tagore%20coined%20the%20term%20Mahatma&f=false
>>>
>>> which works admirably as a reference:
>>>
>>> *It was Tagore who popularised the term "Mahatma" - Great soul, as a
>>> description of Gandhi.
>>>
>>> *So just pickup the page url & add it to reftag*
>>>
>>> *http://reftag.appspot.com/*
>>>
>>> *and bang!* *RefTag gives you a ready made WikiText reference to use*:
>>>
>>> <ref name="PrasadMalikPrasad2007">{{cite book|last1=Prasad|first1=Amar
>>> Nath|last2=Malik|first2=Rajiv K.|last3=Prasad |first3=A.N. |title=Indian
>>> English poetry and fiction: critical elucidations|url=
>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=g2DHBzEO9UEC&pg=PA15|accessdate=12January 2012|date=1 November 2007|publisher=Sarup &
>>> Sons|isbn=978-81-7625-730-5|page=15}}</ref>
>>>
>>> *Just add it instead to the article instead of the unverifiable
>>> reference & you only need to save.
>>> *
>>> *Actually, since I used a different search term, I found another
>>> reference for the article instead of the one above.*
>>>
>>> *Richard L. Johnson; Gandhi (Mahatma) (2006). *Gandhi's experiments
>>> with truth: essential writings by and about Mahatma Gandhi*<http://books.google.com/books?id=dRQcKsx-YgQC&pg=PA279>.
>>> Lexington Books. p. 279. ISBN<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number>
>>>  978-0-7391-1143-7<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-7391-1143-7>.
>>> Retrieved 12 January 2012.
>>>
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>
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