[Wikimedia-in-en] GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2

Wed Jan 11 18:45:32 UTC 2012

A potential flashpoint; His nationality is mentioned as "Indian", but
during his whole lifetime, India was not an independent republic, so I
completely expect people to argue he was a British subject, and hence
should be mentioned as "British" or "British Indian".

Sorry if I brought this up on the wrong front, I felt it a bit better to
discuss here rather than to rake it up on the talk page. Also sorry I kinda
disrupted Ashwin's Masterclass :)

Swaroop Rao
(MikeLynch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeLynch>)

2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar <karthikndr at gmail.com>

> Because they are written by Gandhi himself...
> It's a scanned document written by him...
>
> Just a guess,...
>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks and Regards,
> *Karthik Nadar.*
>
>
> 2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>
>
>> Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in
>> "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
>>
>> Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Karthik - ser 8 to end.
>>>
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar <karthikndr at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session
>>>> to clean references.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Thanks and Regards,
>>>> *Karthik Nadar.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Arnav Chaudhary <arnavchaudhary at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2
>>>>>> To: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, already started checking the article regarding
>>>>>> improvements(making list of supposed improvements which can be done) and
>>>>>> was supposed to start checking references after 3 hours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So didnt reply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now.
>>>>>> Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular
>>>>>> Pc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Arnav Chaudhary
>>>>>> +91-9049039013
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through
>>>>>>> every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised
>>>>>>> at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
>>>>>>> * Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
>>>>>>> * Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
>>>>>>> * Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to
>>>>>>> date so can't task you. Sorry!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay <
>>>>>>> debastein at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see
>>>>>>>> if the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what
>>>>>>>> we feel are non-reliable sources.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>>>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take
>>>>>>>>>> an article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now
>>>>>>>>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being
>>>>>>>>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and
>>>>>>>>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require
>>>>>>>>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most
>>>>>>>>>> suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which
>>>>>>>>>> is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled
>>>>>>>>>> without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Referencing involves a number of things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference
>>>>>>>>>>    or a {{cn}} tag placed.
>>>>>>>>>>    2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]]
>>>>>>>>>>    (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no
>>>>>>>>>>    ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where
>>>>>>>>>>    references could not be found need to be deleted.
>>>>>>>>>>    3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference
>>>>>>>>>>    needs to be checked -
>>>>>>>>>>       1. Material written in the article is actually in the
>>>>>>>>>>       cited reference.
>>>>>>>>>>       2. The material written in the article is an NPOV
>>>>>>>>>>       representation of the cited material in the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>    4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite
>>>>>>>>>>    templated reference with adequate details available in the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required
>>>>>>>>>> for newbies or those who have not read the page before:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>    - [[WP:REFBEGIN]]
>>>>>>>>>>    - [[WP:CITE]]
>>>>>>>>>>    - [[WP:RS]]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill
>>>>>>>>>> in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for
>>>>>>>>>> use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink=
>>>>>>>>>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url=
>>>>>>>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work=
>>>>>>>>>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2=
>>>>>>>>>> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi=
>>>>>>>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper=
>>>>>>>>>> |date= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with
>>>>>>>>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded
>>>>>>>>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it
>>>>>>>>>> will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's
>>>>>>>>>> assassination, to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in
>>>>>>>>>> creating the circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good
>>>>>>>>>> link:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27s+assassination&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA&ved=0CFoQuwUwBw#v=onepage&q=gandhi%27s%20assassination&f=false
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I
>>>>>>>>>> get the following url:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude
>>>>>>>>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url=
>>>>>>>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58|accessdate=10January 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent
>>>>>>>>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following
>>>>>>>>>> citation:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *^<http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0>
>>>>>>>>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*<http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58>.
>>>>>>>>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBN<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number>
>>>>>>>>>>  978-81-7824-155-5<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5>.
>>>>>>>>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and
>>>>>>>>>> expand it/delete it/correct it as required.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Debanjan*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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