[Wikimedia-in-en] GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2

Wed Jan 11 18:01:11 UTC 2012

Because they are written by Gandhi himself...
It's a scanned document written by him...

Just a guess,...

-- 
Thanks and Regards,
*Karthik Nadar.*

2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>

> Quiz question - why do refs 2 & 3 show Gandhi's name in bold in
> "Citations" section (References or footnotes)?
>
> Question may be answered by anyone. Lets see who gets it right first?
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Karthik - ser 8 to end.
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> 2012/1/11 Karthik Nadar <karthikndr at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Though I am already working in the article, you can donate me a session
>>> to clean references.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks and Regards,
>>> *Karthik Nadar.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/1/11 Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> ArnavChaudhary - 2 Civil rights movement in South Africa (1893–1914)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi#Civil_rights_movement_in_South_Africa_.281893.E2.80.931914.29>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Arnav Chaudhary <arnavchaudhary at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2
>>>>> To: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making
>>>>> list of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start
>>>>> checking references after 3 hours.
>>>>>
>>>>> So didnt reply.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now.
>>>>> Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Arnav Chaudhary
>>>>> +91-9049039013
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through
>>>>>> every reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised
>>>>>> at what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
>>>>>> * Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
>>>>>> * Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
>>>>>> * Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to date
>>>>>> so can't task you. Sorry!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay <
>>>>>> debastein at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see if
>>>>>>> the text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what we
>>>>>>> feel are non-reliable sources.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>>>>>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take an
>>>>>>>>> article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now
>>>>>>>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being
>>>>>>>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and
>>>>>>>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require
>>>>>>>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most
>>>>>>>>> suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which
>>>>>>>>> is part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled
>>>>>>>>> without too much of our work being undone in the rewrite.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Referencing involves a number of things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference
>>>>>>>>>    or a {{cn}} tag placed.
>>>>>>>>>    2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]]
>>>>>>>>>    (reliable sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no
>>>>>>>>>    ref can be found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where
>>>>>>>>>    references could not be found need to be deleted.
>>>>>>>>>    3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference
>>>>>>>>>    needs to be checked -
>>>>>>>>>       1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited
>>>>>>>>>       reference.
>>>>>>>>>       2. The material written in the article is an NPOV
>>>>>>>>>       representation of the cited material in the reference.
>>>>>>>>>    4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite
>>>>>>>>>    templated reference with adequate details available in the reference.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required
>>>>>>>>> for newbies or those who have not read the page before:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    - [[WP:REFBEGIN]]
>>>>>>>>>    - [[WP:CITE]]
>>>>>>>>>    - [[WP:RS]]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill
>>>>>>>>> in the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for
>>>>>>>>> use and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink=
>>>>>>>>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url=
>>>>>>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work=
>>>>>>>>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2=
>>>>>>>>> |year= |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi=
>>>>>>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date=
>>>>>>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with
>>>>>>>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded
>>>>>>>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it
>>>>>>>>> will create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination,
>>>>>>>>> to show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the
>>>>>>>>> circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27s+assassination&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA&ved=0CFoQuwUwBw#v=onepage&q=gandhi%27s%20assassination&f=false
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get
>>>>>>>>> the following url:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude
>>>>>>>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url=
>>>>>>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58|accessdate=10January 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent
>>>>>>>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following
>>>>>>>>> citation:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *^<http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0>
>>>>>>>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*<http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58>.
>>>>>>>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBN<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number>
>>>>>>>>>  978-81-7824-155-5<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5>.
>>>>>>>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and
>>>>>>>>> expand it/delete it/correct it as required.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Debanjan*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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