[Wikimedia-in-en] GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2

Wed Jan 11 17:25:51 UTC 2012

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From: Arnav Chaudhary <arnavchaudhary at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2
To: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>

Hi, already started checking the article regarding improvements(making list
of supposed improvements which can be done) and was supposed to start
checking references after 3 hours.

So didnt reply.

Please provide a tasks and i will start in 3 hours from now.
Will share my list too in a day or two once i am back on my regular Pc.

Regards,
Arnav Chaudhary
+91-9049039013

On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Ashwin Baindur
<ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>wrote:

> Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through every
> reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised at
> what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.
>
> Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
> * Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
> * Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
> * Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to date so
> can't task you. Sorry!
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Ashwin Baindur
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay <
> debastein at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see if the
>> text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what we
>> feel are non-reliable sources.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs".
>>>
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take an
>>>> article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now
>>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being
>>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and
>>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require
>>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status.
>>>>
>>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most
>>>> suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in.
>>>>
>>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which is
>>>> part cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled without
>>>> too much of our work being undone in the rewrite.
>>>>
>>>> Referencing involves a number of things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference or a
>>>>    {{cn}} tag placed.
>>>>    2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] (reliable
>>>>    sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no ref can be
>>>>    found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where references could
>>>>    not be found need to be deleted.
>>>>    3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference needs to
>>>>    be checked -
>>>>       1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited
>>>>       reference.
>>>>       2. The material written in the article is an NPOV representation
>>>>       of the cited material in the reference.
>>>>    4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite
>>>>    templated reference with adequate details available in the reference.
>>>>
>>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required for
>>>> newbies or those who have not read the page before:
>>>>
>>>>    - [[WP:REFBEGIN]]
>>>>    - [[WP:CITE]]
>>>>    - [[WP:RS]]
>>>>
>>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill in
>>>> the blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for use
>>>> and fill in. Preformatted as references, they are:
>>>>
>>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink=
>>>> |coauthors= |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url=
>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>
>>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work=
>>>> |publisher= |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>
>>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= |year=
>>>> |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi=
>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>
>>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date=
>>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>>
>>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with
>>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded
>>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it will
>>>> create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple.
>>>>
>>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination, to
>>>> show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the
>>>> circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27s+assassination&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA&ved=0CFoQuwUwBw#v=onepage&q=gandhi%27s%20assassination&f=false
>>>>
>>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get the
>>>> following url:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy
>>>>
>>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation:
>>>>
>>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude
>>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url=
>>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58|accessdate=10January 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent
>>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref>
>>>>
>>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following citation:
>>>>
>>>> *^<http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0>
>>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*<http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58>.
>>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBN<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number>
>>>>  978-81-7824-155-5<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5>.
>>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012.
>>>>
>>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and expand
>>>> it/delete it/correct it as required.
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Debanjan*
>>
>> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place*
>>
>>
>
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