[Wikimedia-in-en] GA master class - Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi #2

Wed Jan 11 17:15:01 UTC 2012

Please post to the group but not to me. Yes, we shall go through every
reference. Each & every source must be checked. You will be surprised at
what amount of s#%t is hidden amongst seemingly innocuous references.

Okay, each of you take a bunch of citations. I'll allot arbitrarily -
* Rangilo - Refs in section - Principles, practices and beliefs
* Debanjan - Refs in section - Struggle for Indian Independence.
* Nick.me & Arnav C - no response from you guys on email list to date so
can't task you. Sorry!

Warm regards,

Ashwin Baindur
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On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Debanjan Bandyopadhyay <
debastein at gmail.com> wrote:

> Question: Do we necessarily go through all the references and see if the
> text they are cited to is accurate or not? Or do we do that for what we
> feel are non-reliable sources.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:16 AM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Correction, For "fart of GAs" read "raft of GAs".
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Ashwin Baindur
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Ashwin Baindur <
>> ashwin.baindur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In #1 we saw how to reconnoitre and plan for a campaign to take an
>>> article and make it GA. A few years ago this process was easy but now
>>> unconsciously standards have risen and a fart of GAs are being
>>> derecognised, one of the important reasons for which is content and
>>> referencing issues. Gandhi, despite having been a former GA, will require
>>> serious amount of work to be restored to that status.
>>>
>>> Our article "Gandhi" requires a major rewrite and is not the most
>>> suitable action to plunge editors new to the review process in.
>>>
>>> Rather than that, let us take up the issue of Referencing, which is part
>>> cleanup and partly related to content and which can be tackled without too
>>> much of our work being undone in the rewrite.
>>>
>>> Referencing involves a number of things.
>>>
>>>
>>>    1. Each fact needing reference should either have a reference or a
>>>    {{cn}} tag placed.
>>>    2. Each reference needs to be checked against [[WP:RS]] (reliable
>>>    sources) and if necessary deleted or replaced with better. If no ref can be
>>>    found a {{cn}} tag be placed. Ultimately taged facts where references could
>>>    not be found need to be deleted.
>>>    3. The content on the article pertaining to the reference needs to
>>>    be checked -
>>>       1. Material written in the article is actually in the cited
>>>       reference.
>>>       2. The material written in the article is an NPOV representation
>>>       of the cited material in the reference.
>>>    4. Each reference needs to be converted to a complete cite templated
>>>    reference with adequate details available in the reference.
>>>
>>> Some preliminary reading is recommended and definitely required for
>>> newbies or those who have not read the page before:
>>>
>>>    - [[WP:REFBEGIN]]
>>>    - [[WP:CITE]]
>>>    - [[WP:RS]]
>>>
>>> After this, we need to learn about cite templates. These are fill in the
>>> blank forms for use. I keep them in a text file and copy them for use and
>>> fill in. Preformatted as references, they are:
>>>
>>> <ref name="">{{cite book |title= |last= |first= |authorlink= |coauthors=
>>> |year= |publisher= |location= |isbn= |page= |pages= |url= |accessdate=9
>>> January 2012}}</ref>
>>>
>>> <ref name="">{{cite web |url= |title= |author= |date= |work= |publisher=
>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>
>>> <ref name="">{{cite journal |last1= |first1= |last2= |first2= |year=
>>> |title= |journal= |publisher= |volume= |issue= |pages= |url= |doi=
>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>
>>> <ref name="">{{cite news |title= |author= |url= |newspaper= |date=
>>> |accessdate=9 January 2012}}</ref>
>>>
>>> Ideally look in Google Books for a citation especially one with
>>> preview/full view. Once found, the url of the Google Book url can be loaded
>>> into RefTag (url:http://reftag.appspot.com/) & lo & behold it will
>>> create a preformatted citation for you. Its that simple.
>>>
>>> For example, if we wanted to act a fact on Gandhi's assassination, to
>>> show culpability of Nehru and his fellow politicians in creating the
>>> circumstances leading to it, the follwing would be a very good link:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58&dq=gandhi%27s+assassination&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA&ved=0CFoQuwUwBw#v=onepage&q=gandhi%27s%20assassination&f=false
>>>
>>> If I load this url into the Google Books URL box for RefTag, I get the
>>> following url:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy
>>>
>>> which gives me the following Wikicode for a citation:
>>>
>>> <ref name="Markovits2006">{{cite book|author=Claude
>>> Markovits|title=Un-Gandhian Gandhi|url=
>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58|accessdate=10January 2012|date=1 January 2006|publisher=Permanent
>>> Black|isbn=978-81-7824-155-5|pages=58–}}</ref>
>>>
>>> which, when used in an article, will result in the following citation:
>>>
>>> *^<http://reftag.appspot.com/?book_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.co.in%2Fbooks%3Fid%3D30e_maQ2vYQC%26pg%3DPA58%26dq%3Dgandhi%2527s%2Bassassination%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26ei%3DhoIMT4bsLM6srAeUhuHKBA%26ved%3D0CFoQuwUwBw%23v%3Donepage%26q%3Dgandhi%2527s%2520assassination%26f%3Dfalse&dateformat=dmy#cite_ref-Markovits2006_0-0>
>>> * Claude Markovits (1 January 2006). *Un-Gandhian Gandhi*<http://books.google.com/books?id=30e_maQ2vYQC&pg=PA58>.
>>> Permanent Black. pp. 58–. ISBN<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number>
>>>  978-81-7824-155-5<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-81-7824-155-5>.
>>> Retrieved 10 January 2012.
>>>
>>> COMBINED TASK for us all - To check each citation carefully and expand
>>> it/delete it/correct it as required.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Ashwin Baindur
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Debanjan*
>
> - Lets make this world a better and more informative place*
>
>
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