[WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Autoconfirmed article creation trial

[Carcharoth]

Possibly a really professional approach with full-time resources
devoted to explaining things and producing a detailed FAQ and managing
expectations to slowly build a consensus. But that jibes uncomfortably
with the approach where groups of volunteers try and produce the same
results. It also feels like campaigning to try and grow a consensus
rather than working with what is there already. But that may be needed
in cases where opinions are all over the place and people may not be
fully informed about something or may polarise into different camps.
All gets rather political, really.

Carcharoth

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:35 AM, MuZemike <muzemike at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone think we can really get an actual "consensus" for anything
> big anymore on en.wiki?
>
> To take from Beeblebrox on the Signpost not too long ago
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-08-29/The_pending_changes_fiasco):
>
> "There seems inevitably to come a point in any such attempt where there
> are simply too many voices, too many nonsensical objections, too much
> petty bickering to get anything done. This is a growing, systemic
> problem at Wikipedia, and eventually we are going to have to deal with it."
>
> The near-converse applies when developers "boldly" turn relatively minor
> features on without "community consensus", as seen at
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29/Archive_90#Watchlist_emails
> . That is, people complain up and down about it. It is impossible to
> have everyone happy about everything.
>
> -MuZemike
>
> On 9/13/2011 11:38 AM, David Gerard wrote:
>> On 13 September 2011 17:35, Gwern Branwen<gwern0 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> And in turn, I look forward to the study of the effects of this
>>> change, which will never happen despite all promises before.
>>
>>
>> Apparently just over 50% in favour is "broad consensus". Who knew?
>>
>> (Almost as good as the person who told me "we achieved consensus
>> against that change" and it was, literally, a straw poll with two "no"
>> and one "yes".)
>>
>>
>> - d.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> WikiEN-l mailing list
>> WikiEN-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> WikiEN-l mailing list
> WikiEN-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
>