[WikiEN-l] Problem with the pending changes review screen.

[Risker]

The crux of this issue is that to revert individual edits one has to go to
the page history, the pending changes review window does not permit this.

Gmaxwell and I have worked out a step-by-step process for even the least
technical reviewer to follow.  You can find it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Reviewing#Step-by-step_.22how-to.22_for_reviewing_multiple_edits

Best,

Risker/Anne

On 16 June 2010 00:25, FT2 <ft2.wiki at gmail.com> wrote:

> As I understand it, and apologies if mistaken, all of this is based on a
> misunderstanding of the tool.
>
> A reviewer faced with any mix of edits and wishing to "do something" (ie
> not
> ignore it all) has two main choices.
>
> They can accept the most recent edit, or they can add an edit of their own
> (which could be a revert or a "fix" of problem edits).
>
> In either case, the latest edit is presumed good quality (because they are
> doing it) and it becomes "accepted".
>
> The misunderstanding, as I understand it, is that pending changes doesn't
> care about any intervening edits or unchecked page history. If there had
> been 1000 edits since the last accepted revision, or 30 but all vandalism,
> none of that matters. The aim of the tool is to ensure the public (ie
> /latest/) version is presentable. It doesn't care for or censor historic
> revisions. Once a revision is no longer current, then whether it was
> accepted, reverted, unchecked or the like in the past is immaterial. The
> vandalism and good edits remain in the page history as normal, users can
> see
> them, revert them, sort out complex mixes of vandalism/non-vandalism as
> much
> as they like. Past "good" edits are no more "lost" than they ever were.
>  The
> purpose of pending changes is to ensure the current presented version will
> be presentable to non-editors and logged-out users - nothing more.
>
> FT2
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Imagine an article with many revisions and pending changes enabled:
> > > A, B, C, D, E, F, G...
> > [snip]
> > > I don't know how to fix this. We could remove the reject button to
> > > make it more clear that you use the normal editing functions (with
> > > their full power) to reject.  But I must admit that the easy rollback
> > > button is handy there.   Alternatively we could put a small chunk of
> > > the edit history on the review page, showing the individual edits
> > > which comprise the span-diff (bonus points for color-coding if someone
> > > wants to make a real programming project out of it) along with the
> > > undo links and such.
> > [snip]
> >
> >
> > Further discussion with Risker has caused me to realize that there is
> > another significant problem situation with the reject button.
> >
> > Consider the following edit sequence:
> >
> > A, B, C, D, E
> >
> >
> > A is a previously approved version.  B, and D are all excellent edits.
> >  C and E are obvious vandalism.  E even managed to undo all the good
> > changes of B,D while adding the vandalism.
> >
> > A reviewer hits the pending revisions link in order to review, they
> > get the span diff from A to E.  All they see is vandalism, there is no
> > indication of the redeeming edits in the intervening span.  So they
> > hit reject.  The good edits are lost.
> >
> >
> > Unlike the prior problem, the only way to solve this would be only
> > display the REJECT button if all of the pending changes are by the
> > same author (or limiting it to only one pending change in the span,
> > which would be slightly more conservative but considering the
> > behaviour of the rollback button I think the group-by-author behaviour
> > would be fine).   The accept button is still safe.
> >
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