[WikiEN-l] [Foundation-l] IPA issues

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
It is much easier to have sound files that have you listen to it. I had
added soundfiles to Jaap de Hoop Scheffer among others on the English WP.. I
had an Italian friend do Silvio Berluscone

For whatever reason they were removed.. Dutch can be hard language to
pronounce .. and as has been said, IPA is not universally understood.
Thanks.
     GerardM

On 22 April 2010 09:11, J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov <
alexandrdmitriromanov at gmail.com> wrote:

> Enabling a pop-up (for example) for the IPA prononciation would be a big
> plus as far as I am concerned.
> I've never quite got my head around it, but can see its usefulness. This is
> particularly useful when the word is of non-English extraction: I find it
> an
> added benefit to see the word in its original form (spelling and script),
> notably when there is a local version of the word which has completely
> transformed the native version (e.g. Londres from London, Maroc / Morocco
> from المغرب‎).
>
> Alexandr Dmitri
>
>
>
>
>
> 2010/4/22 Keegan Peterzell <keegan.wiki at gmail.com>
>
> > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> > <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > A lot of so called IPA out there is created by Americans for Americans
> > and
> > > expect that certain sounds can be expressed by the ordinary Latin
> > > characters. The consequence is that such polution makes the whole of
> IPA
> > > hard to use.
> > >
> > > Consequently I argue that in order to save the usefulness of IPA at all
> > we
> > > HAVE to be academically correct in how it is expressed.
> > > Thanks,
> > >     GerardM
> >
> >
> > I disagree to an extent of the first part of you post, and agree with the
> > second part.  I actually answered an email about this situation, the
> ticket
> > can be found here if you have access <
> >
> >
> https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=4739987&ArticleID=5383349&ZoomExpand=0#5383349
> > >
> >
> > The correspondent wasn't very, how shall I say, nice in the initial email
> > or
> > the reply to my response, but here's what I wrote:
> >
> >
> > "The Wikimedia Foundation projects, which include the English Wikipedia,
> > are
> > aimed
> > at and have a broad global appeal.  In fact, many of our contributors are
> > not
> > native speakers of English but use the project as a way to enhance their
> > knowledge
> > of English and providing translations.  We actively encourage that.
> >
> > The "gobbledygook" is the International Phonetic Alphabet, contrived and
> > maintained by an international collection of linguists over a hundred
> years
> > ago as
> > a method, based on Latin characters, to phonetically pronounce even
> > unfamiliar
> > languages.  This method of adoption across our projects allow people from
> > around
> > the globe to understand a pronunciation no matter their language.
> >
> > We are sorry that this is inconvenient for you and diminishes your
> interest
> > in
> > Wikipedia.  We do hope that you can learn the IPA from our language
> guides
> > available- it's actually pretty quick to catch on to and is a common
> sense
> > approach to phonetics.
> >
> > You can find more information about the IPA here
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International Phonetic Alphabet> which
> > includes
> > external links to educational tools in learning the system!
> >
> > Again, we do appreciate your concerns about the usability of Wikipedia."
> > --
> > ~Keegan
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan
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