[WikiEN-l] Deletion of unreferenced living person biographies

[Carcharoth]

Sometimes the best way of spreading best practices like this is to
write a userspace essay. It can start small, but can help get thoughts
together. There are several userspace essays I should have written
that I never did, so I'm not really one to talk. But some of the most
insightful things I have read have often been in userspace (and
projectspace) essays. And the worst, as well, but then some of the
worst things I have read have been on policy and guidelines pages as
well.

Carcharoth

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:55 AM, David Goodman <dgoodmanny at gmail.com> wrote:
> i agree with you very much that  Welcome, but ... messages as
> currently used would be considered an insult or condescending by
> almost anyone. "Here's your speeding ticket. Have a nice day!"
>
> You might try using custom messages. I have variations on several that
> I use, but i always to adapt them to make it clear I am talking about
> their actual article.  A sentence that what you need most to do is to
> .... with something actually specific,  instead of the boilerplate,
> will help those who have a chance of understanding, and  sort out the
> ones who never will, or never intend to.
> Obviously, if someone is playing games with us, it's another matter,
> but there too I often use a custom message, usually a variation on
> "enough already!"  I have sometime gotten the comment "OK, I took the
> earlier ones for meaningless computer output."
> I learned to do this from watching others who did, notably Durova.
>
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> David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG
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> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Emily Monroe <bluecaliocean at me.com> wrote:
>>> "Delete on sight" is unwiki, and violates several of our core
>>> policies that supercede BLP including NPOV and CIVIL and their
>>> subordinates.
>>
>> True, but I see a lot of articles at new page patrol that also violate
>> NPOV, CIVIL, or both. "I run this great business" is POV, not to
>> mention SPAM. "Emily smells funny" violates CIVIL, and probably NPOV,
>> too. It's astonishing to see how obvious somebody will violate
>> Wikipedian article standards because they don't know what they're
>> doing, and I wish there was a more civil way to fix that problem
>> besides speedying their article and leaving them a "Welcome to
>> Wikipedia! Your first article really sucks!" temp message.
>>
>> Emily
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:55 PM, stevertigo wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew Turvey<andrewrturvey at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> Clearly whether we allow "deletion on sight" or require proposers
>>>> to improve articles first makes a big difference to whether this
>>>> backlog will ever be cleared.
>>>
>>> A couple ideas:
>>>
>>> 1) "Delete on sight" is unwiki, and violates several of our core
>>> policies that supercede BLP including NPOV and CIVIL and their
>>> subordinates. "Speedy" concepts also tend to promote uncivil behavior,
>>> such that people occasionally will do things like not read what they
>>> want to delete ([[WP:MFD/SV/ONS]]), and try to close ongoing MFD's
>>> ([[WP:DRV/SV/ONS]]) and even ANI's ([[WP:RFAR/DPP]]).
>>>
>>> 2) As far as getting backlogs cleared up, we have a large number of
>>> people coming through the penal system (misnamed "Arbitration," for
>>> some reason) who may choose to do work as part of the agreeable
>>> remedy. In fact, if Arbcom starts shaping up in accord with the
>>> dynamics of creativity and invention, such as in some imaginary
>>> scenario wherein they were free to interact and act autonomously, then
>>> it will be fairly easy for the community, through them, to get people
>>> to work on the menial tasks that others like myself just will not do.
>>>
>>> -Stevertigo
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