[WikiEN-l] Deletion of unreferenced living person biographies

[David Goodman]

i agree with you very much that  Welcome, but ... messages as
currently used would be considered an insult or condescending by
almost anyone. "Here's your speeding ticket. Have a nice day!"

You might try using custom messages. I have variations on several that
I use, but i always to adapt them to make it clear I am talking about
their actual article.  A sentence that what you need most to do is to
.... with something actually specific,  instead of the boilerplate,
will help those who have a chance of understanding, and  sort out the
ones who never will, or never intend to.
Obviously, if someone is playing games with us, it's another matter,
but there too I often use a custom message, usually a variation on
"enough already!"  I have sometime gotten the comment "OK, I took the
earlier ones for meaningless computer output."
I learned to do this from watching others who did, notably Durova.





David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG



On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Emily Monroe <bluecaliocean at me.com> wrote:
>> "Delete on sight" is unwiki, and violates several of our core
>> policies that supercede BLP including NPOV and CIVIL and their
>> subordinates.
>
> True, but I see a lot of articles at new page patrol that also violate
> NPOV, CIVIL, or both. "I run this great business" is POV, not to
> mention SPAM. "Emily smells funny" violates CIVIL, and probably NPOV,
> too. It's astonishing to see how obvious somebody will violate
> Wikipedian article standards because they don't know what they're
> doing, and I wish there was a more civil way to fix that problem
> besides speedying their article and leaving them a "Welcome to
> Wikipedia! Your first article really sucks!" temp message.
>
> Emily
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:55 PM, stevertigo wrote:
>
>> Andrew Turvey<andrewrturvey at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> Clearly whether we allow "deletion on sight" or require proposers
>>> to improve articles first makes a big difference to whether this
>>> backlog will ever be cleared.
>>
>> A couple ideas:
>>
>> 1) "Delete on sight" is unwiki, and violates several of our core
>> policies that supercede BLP including NPOV and CIVIL and their
>> subordinates. "Speedy" concepts also tend to promote uncivil behavior,
>> such that people occasionally will do things like not read what they
>> want to delete ([[WP:MFD/SV/ONS]]), and try to close ongoing MFD's
>> ([[WP:DRV/SV/ONS]]) and even ANI's ([[WP:RFAR/DPP]]).
>>
>> 2) As far as getting backlogs cleared up, we have a large number of
>> people coming through the penal system (misnamed "Arbitration," for
>> some reason) who may choose to do work as part of the agreeable
>> remedy. In fact, if Arbcom starts shaping up in accord with the
>> dynamics of creativity and invention, such as in some imaginary
>> scenario wherein they were free to interact and act autonomously, then
>> it will be fairly easy for the community, through them, to get people
>> to work on the menial tasks that others like myself just will not do.
>>
>> -Stevertigo
>>
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