[WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Facts, but It’s a Desert for Photos

[Jonathan Hall]

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 13:57, Ian Woollard<ian.woollard at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 20/07/2009, Durova <nadezhda.durova at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Indirectly this helps our position with regard to NPG, because a significant
>> part of NPG's argument is that WMF is impossible to work with.  Each time we
>> develop a cooperative relationship with another cultural institution we
>> prove that part of NPG's argument empirically wrong.  The more this happens,
>> the more likely NPG is to look silly; the net effect could soften their
>> approach.  Now is an excellent time to build those relationships because the
>> current situation is drawing attention to the media side of Wikipedia.
>
> I think there is another side of this though; whether NPG are silly or
> not, the uploader ran an automated program to systematically rip their
> site of high resolution images.
>
> That's certainly pretty unfriendly; it's pretty clear that the NPG
> didn't want people to use their website's resources for that purpose.
>
> When you extract from a server an entire set of information that they
> don't want you to have that's essentially 'hacking', it's clear to me
> that in a pretty real sense the uploader hacked into their website.

It's hacking in the out-of-the-box-thinking sense Stallman uses. It
isn't cracking (ie what most people mean when they say hacking -
defeating computer security systems. Whether or not it's the intended
use that data was publically available, and, assuming there was
nothing in the site's terms of use against this sort of thing, there's
nothing wrong with it.
>
> In other words, this isn't necessarily simply about copyright.
>
>> -Durova
>
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