[WikiEN-l] MUD history dissolving into the waters of time

[Philip Sandifer]

The explosion of comments from outright reliable sources (Raph Koster  
and Richard Bartle, even when blogging, are reliable secondary  
sources) makes this a clear-cut notable article at present. I may  
recreate, using Bartle and Koster exclusively as two sources.

But yes - the point stands. Contentious AfDs - including ones that got  
wide attention off of Wikipedia - should be closed by someone with  
knowledge about the subject, or at least a consult. Go talk to an  
editor in the area. Hell, go to WikiProject Video Games, ask for a  
consult.

If you don't know the topic and it's a controversial AfD, don't close  
it.

-Phil

On Jan 10, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Fred Bauder wrote:

> "Wikipedia editors should really have enough knowledge about their
> subject matter to make choices based on good judgement rather than  
> strict
> adherence to flawed guidelines. Any guideline, law or contract doesn’t
> absolve one from using one’s brain — these things are just  
> frameworks for
> handling worst-case scenarios better.
>
> http://www.unwesen.de/articles/wikipedia_on_mud_history
>
> This is what is frustrating to me. Although I am not recognized  
> expert on
> MUDs, I know enough that the decision made is obviously wrong, while
> those making the decision seem entirely innocent of the subject.
>
> Fred
>
>
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2009, at 9:54 AM, Michel Vuijlsteke wrote:
>>
>>> Nothing exceptional about this, of course:
>>> http://www.massively.com/2009/01/06/mud-history-dissolving-into-the-waters-of-time/
>>>
>>> Sigh.
>>
>> Gah. What's bothersome here is that it has a Computer Gaming Magazine
>> reference and a quote from Bartle, one of the iconic figures in MUD
>> design. Those are two significant references. But the CGM reference
>> was actually *ignored* in the deletion close because it was  
>> unverified.
>>
>> Yes. Now we're treating print referencing with suspicion and
>> hostility. Fucking brilliant.
>>
>> -Phil
>>
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